Ukrainian Navy flagship takes Russia’s side – report

[jakeXT]

Source: RT

Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate, has reportedly refused to follow orders from Kiev, and come over to Russia’s side and is returning home after taking part in NATO operation in the Gulf of Aden flying the Russian naval flag.

There has been conflicting information on where exactly the vessel is, but a Russian senator has confirmed to Izvestia daily that the frigate defected to the Russian side.

“Ukraine’s Navy flagship the Hetman Sahaidachny has come over to our side today. It has hung out the St Andrew’s flag,” Senator Igor Morozov, a member of the committee on the international affairs, told Izvestia daily.

He said the flagship is on its way back to the Black Sea after drills in the Mediterranean. “The crew has fulfilled the order by the chief commander of Ukraine’s armed forces Viktor Yanukovich,” he added.

Read more: http://rt.com/news/ukraine-navy-flaghsip-protest-389/

[Bill76]

1. Ukrainian military is in a tough position.

Side with the coup or with their commander in chief? Not easy, especially for ethnic Russians.

[LisaL]

13. Sounds like it's easy for ethnic Russians.

[Bill76]

18. Why would it be "easy"?

Deserting from an army is a capital crime in Ukraine.

[TwilightGardener]

2. "Come over to Russia's side"--and yet, it declares that it did this under

Yanukovich, the UKRAINIAN President (not really). Why would the ship be anything other than Ukrainian? Did Russia declare war on Ukraine?

[tiny elvis]

21. the article calls the actor a ship

as in, 'the frigate defected'

your criticism of a frigate's decision is based on some assumptions

who should a ship take orders from when the interim minister of interior announces
an invasion on facebook?

[Scootaloo]

3. "It has hung out the St Andrew’s flag"

Wait... so they've defected to Scotland?

[jakeXT]

4. Inverse colors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltire

[DRoseDARs]

7. More specifically, the Russian Navy Ensign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Navy_Ensign

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. The Scots declared themselves Scythians in 1320, so it makes sense

Most Holy Father and Lord, we know from the deeds of the ancients and we read from books -- because among the other great nations of course, our nation of Scots has been described in many publications -- that crossing from Greater Scythia, via the Tyrhennian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and living in Spain among the fiercest tribes for many years, it could be conquered by no one anywhere, no matter how barbarous the tribes. Afterwards, coming from there, one thousand two hundred years from the Israelite people's crossing of the Red Sea, to its home in the west, which it now holds, having first thrown out the Britons and completely destroyed the Picts, and even though it was often attacked by the Norse, the Danes and the English, it fought back with many victories and countless labours and it has held itself ever since, free from all slavery, as the historians of old testify. In their own kingdom, one hundred and thirteen kings have reigned of their own Blood Royal, without interruption by foreigners.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Arbroath

That's one of the most important documents in the history of the Scottish state, not some fringe thing.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Five day forecast bring black tar rain and hellfire

[Fantastic Anarchist]

30. LOL - I thought the same thing!

Spared the Scots the expense of manufacturing another frigate.

[reformist2]

5. Hilarious, if true. And Turkey disobeyed the new Ukrainian "leaders" too, apparently.

[tomm2thumbs]

6. reports 'Russia Today'...

Ukrainian News Source - Translated

article on that page reads -

Navy ships did not leave Sevastopol Ukraine, the Russian news agency RIA Novosti provided false information

All ships are Ukrainian Navy in Sevastopol.

On this page on Facebook svoy writes former naval officer, journalist Miroslav Mamchak.

"As one of the members of the crew of the frigate Hetman Sahaidachny is in accordance with the plan in Greece at the port on the island. Crete by ship and everything is normal," - he said.

[okaawhatever]

8. No kidding. We need a moratorium on Russian propaganda. nt

[jtuck004]

9. Would that apply internationally?

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#

[jakeXT]

10. Here is one from Ukraine, but you'll have to translate it

http://thekievtimes.ua/politics/331925-getman-sagajdachnyj-vstal-na-storonu-zashhitnikov-ot-fashizma.html

[riverwalker]

14. I tried Google Translate, but no better

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=uk&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fthekievtimes.ua%2Fpolitics%2F331925-getman-sagajdachnyj-vstal-na-storonu-zashhitnikov-ot-fashizma.html

[LisaL]

17. What are you using?

I used google translate and it's very clear. By the way the article is not in Ukranian. It's in Russian. Which is why your translation came up all funky.
"In the Ukrainian government received information that after the resignation of Chief of Staff Admiral Ukraine Yuri Ilyin ship decided not to obey the new Ukrainian authorities and returned to the Black Sea under the flag of St. Andrew . As planned , the ship is expected to arrive in Sevastopol in early March."
http://thekievtimes.ua/politics/331925-getman-sagajdachnyj-vstal-na-storonu-zashhitnikov-ot-fashizma.html

[LisaL]

15. You can use google translate.

It says the same thing. The ship is refusing to obey orders from Ukraine and is under flag of St. Andrew.

[Bill76]

19. So what?

The flag of St. Andrew was reintroduced in the Russian Navy in 1992, and is still used today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Navy_Ensign

[LisaL]

20. Maybe you missed that this is supposed to be an Ukrainian ship?

[jakeXT]

12. A facebook post by a former naval officer ? /nt

[Democracyinkind]

22. The Hetman Sahaidachny is definitely not in port at Sewastopol. nt

[malthaussen]

23. Great, they can park her next to the Potemkin. n/t

[arely staircase]

24. RT is now a LBN source? nt

[Lasher]

25. No, RT is not an appropriate LBN source.

I wish someone would have alerted on this one. I don't see the point in locking it now, since it's been a day and a half ago that the thread was started.

Lasher
LBN Host

[arely staircase]

26. the only reason I didn't alert is because since nobody locked it

I assumed we were allowing propaganda sites. RT shouldn't be allowed to stink up LBN.

[Lasher]

27. We missed this one.

We can't catch them all, so we appreciate alerts from good DUers like you. Our current position is, RT is unsuitable as a LBN source. That is subject to change, since other hosts coming in might decide that's not the best interpretation of the SOP.

I can't vouch for this source, but here is an interesting tidbit related to this thread:

Ministry of Defence of Ukraine denies siding of Hetman Sahaidachny frigate with Russia

2014 March 3 09:23

Ministry of Defence of Ukraine has denied the information of some Russian media on the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate siding with Russia. According to the Ministry’s statement, the Ukrainian Frigate Hetman Sahaydachny with Ka-27 helicopter and special team on board has completed its deploying within the Ocean Shield and the EU Atalanta operations in the Gulf of Aden and now it is docked in Greece for replenishment.

Rear Admiral Andriy Tarasov, Commander of National Contingent, informed the frigate would head home to Ukraine, soon.

“Ukrainian servicemen serve for the Ukrainian people and sail under the Ukrainian flag,” he underlined.

Rear Admiral Andriy Tarasov mentioned the leaders of national contingent communicate constantly with the General Staff of Ukrainian Armed Forces.

http://en.portnews.ru/news/176316/

[Fantastic Anarchist]

31. The first casualty of war?

Truth.

Who knows that the deal is over there.

[Lasher]

32. One of my favorite sayings.

But we don't need a war to kill Truth. I see it slaughtered every day.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. Ministry of Defence of Ukraine denies siding of Hetman Sahaidachny frigate with Russia

Ministry of Defence of Ukraine has denied the information of some Russian media on the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate siding with Russia. According to the Ministry’s statement, the Ukrainian Frigate Hetman Sahaydachny with Ka-27 helicopter and special team on board has completed its deploying within the Ocean Shield and the EU Atalanta operations in the Gulf of Aden and now it is docked in Greece for replenishment.

Rear Admiral Andriy Tarasov, Commander of National Contingent, informed the frigate would head home to Ukraine, soon.

“Ukrainian servicemen serve for the Ukrainian people and sail under the Ukrainian flag,” he underlined.

http://en.portnews.ru/news/176316/

[jakeXT]

29. Allegations flying on both sides

Russian Defense Ministry dismisses Ukraine ultimatum reports as ‘total nonsense’

http://rt.com/news/russia-dismiss-ultimatum-ukraine-644/