Obama Urges Putin In Phone Call To Accept Terms Of Diplomatic Solution For Ukraine

[Purveyor]

Source: REUTERS

WASHINGTON, March 6 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama urged Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday to accept the terms of a potential diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis in a phone call that lasted an hour.

In their second phone conversation in the past six days, Obama emphasized to Putin that Russia's incursion into Ukraine was a violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, the White House said.

During the call, Obama outlined the terms of a diplomatic "off-ramp" that U.S. officials are promoting. Under terms of the deal, Russia would pull back troops to bases in Crimea, allow international monitors in to ensure the rights of ethnic Russians are respected and consent to direct talks with Ukraine officials.

Read more: http://www.trust.org/item/20140306231906-m9sda

[dipsydoodle]

1. You forgot the link

One here http://www.trust.org/item/20140306231906-m9sda

[Purveyor]

2. Thanks, I fixed it. eom

[amandabeech]

3. I wonder who called whom.

If Putin called, he may be thinking of dealing.

It seems as though the EU might want to go for stronger sanctions considering the general tone of the situation in Crimea. The business with harassing the UN delegate, blockading Ukrainian naval bases, refusing to allow OSCE delegates into the region may have alarmed the EU more than Putin thought.

[Purveyor]

4. Nobody is saying yet so that I tend to think Obama called Putin or a big deal

would be made over Putin calling him.

Pure speculation of course...

[amandabeech]

5. Interesting. Erin Burnett seems to be taking the position of many pro-Russia posters

here. Quite different from Blitzer.

Regular con vs. neocon?

[davidpdx]

14. ROFL

Good one Amanda!

[amandabeech]

16. Thank you! n/t

[go west young man]

23. She most likely is just following the money.

She's connected with all those Wall Street sharks so she probably has got wind of which way they are thinking of investing their interests. They most likely fully understand that Russia has the upper hand due to their control of 30% of Europe's oil needs. This is a reverse Pearl harbor scenario. Russia is the one who can cut off the oil and hurt their pocketbooks. Wall Street is also fully aware of Russia's new deal with the Far East, North and Sub Saharan Africa and South America. Plus the Russian South Stream pipeline comes online in 2015 through Romania to Southern Europe which incidentally seems to be staying out of the fray.

[amandabeech]

26. She does love the money,

just like all her friends as CNBC.

[go west young man]

29. Totally agree...

I think she's just an opportunist like most Wall Street types.

[amandabeech]

30. I think that some of the folks on wall street verge on sociopathic.

I had some contact with them back in the '80s, and they were not on my wavelength.

[another_liberal]

6. Did the President mention our orchestrating the overthrow of Yanukovich's government . . .

Or how we chose his illegitimate "Interim" successor? Surely he didn't say anything about our hand-picked "Technocrat" President in Kiev handing his country and countrymen over to the IMF for a Greek style fleecing?

No, I bet he didn't say anything about any of that.

[geek tragedy]

7. Because none of that is true.

Then again, I have no loyalty to Putin, Mother Russia, or rt.com, so what do I know?

[arewenotdemo]

8. You didn't hear Victoria Nuland?

It's really quite clear.

"Yats" and "attaboy". The whole thing. Indisputable.

[geek tragedy]

10. Yes, she convinced Ukrainians to abandon the

glorious and honest rule of Yanukovych.

[another_liberal]

9. I say all of those things are true, and the proof is in the public record . . .

For anyone with a half-open mind to see.

But don't take my word for it, just wait around for a decade or so until the history of our latest coup is written.

BTW: Who are you suggesting has "loyalty" to whom, and to what? I believe in democracy, and I detest fascistic coups against democratically elected governments. I don't have to pretend to believe in what I really believe in. Nor do I have to slander those I disagree with because I can't defend my side of an argument.

[geek tragedy]

11. Certainly Russia Today will document

how only Vladimir Putin stood up for democracy.

Indeed, the fact that the vast majority of Ukraine's elected representatives voted to impeach and remove the glorious Yanukovych after he abdicated his office is irrelevant because rt.com says so.

[another_liberal]

12. You are beating a dead horse.

We have covered that ground far too many times already. Just refer to my earlier comments in response to those points. (sigh)

[geek tragedy]

13. Maybe you can just put a link to

RT's RSS feed or twitter account in your signature and save us all the trouble .

[davidpdx]

15. Yeesh

The shit that people repeat on here. I'm getting sick of the CT, so you aren't the only one.

[go west young man]

24. I can answer that!

Nothing.

[geek tragedy]

25. don't you have some GLBT activists to insult because they criticized the extreme

In actuality the LGBT loud approach at Russia during this Olympics has done more to help reignite the Cold War than Dick Cheney himself could have done. I bet the MIC is loving the LGBT community right now. bigotry against GLBT people in your beloved Russia?

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10024490324

I'm not in the mood to be lectured by those who attack civil rights activists out of loyalty to a rightwing authoritarian bigoted foreign government.

I favor civil rights over love of Putin's government. We have an irreconcilable disagreement there.

[go west young man]

27. And I love reasoned debate

with solid linked information over emotion. That is where we truly differ. And by the way, you never did back up your inaccurate PEW poll that thread was based upon. Misinformation is one of the biggest problems with DU. That and all the 7th grade emotion and Lord of The Flies swooning.

[geek tragedy]

28. there is nothing reasoned about insulting GLBT activists because they are protesting

for their rights

it's classic authoritarianism and not something someone who gives a shit about civil rights would say

[go west young man]

31. We already went around on that one.

I'm sure people are tired of it.

[LanternWaste]

32. Merely tired of those who rationalize their insults towards the GLBT community...

"I'm sure people are tired of it..."

Merely tired of those who rationalize their insults towards the GLBT community...

[jakeXT]

17. I wonder how much he knows ... does he miss his meetings, because he knows they are feeding him BS ?

Report: President Obama misses national security meeting on Russia, Ukraine

According to a White House official, President Obama's national security team met Saturday to discuss the situation with Russia and the Ukraine. Obama, however, was not present, the Weekly Standard said.

"The President's national security team met today to receive an update on the situation in Ukraine and discuss potential policy options. We will provide further updates later this afternoon," said a statement tweeted by Time magazine's Zeke Miller.

"Obama did not attend the meeting, but WH official says he has been briefed by Susan Rice and his national security team," Miller said in another tweet.

According to the Associated Press, Obama spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin in a 90-minute telephone call on Saturday, where he reportedly called Russia's actions "a clear violation" of Ukraine's sovereignty.

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-president-obama-misses-national-security-meeting-on-russia-ukraine

[geek tragedy]

18. Is this Free Republic? "Obama is stupid and lazy"

is an old, nasty rightwing meme.

[jakeXT]

19. Who said he is stupid and lazy? He probably knows not listen to them

The decision surprised his own advisers, who had not proposed voluntarily seeking lawmaker approval and had concluded Obama had the legal authority to take action on his own. But Obama felt it would be more consistent with his desire, stated earlier this year, to take America off of a "perpetual wartime footing" by getting the backing of Congress and the citizens it represents.

After his walk with McDonough, the president called National Security Adviser Susan Rice, her deputy Tony Blinken, senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer, and others into the Oval Office to announce his approach.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/01/us-syria-crisis-obama-decision-idUSBRE98001520130901

[karynnj]

20. RW sources and tilt - Obama not being at a meeting does NOT = he missed the information

He was briefed by Rice - and likely has been in contact with anyone else with direct information. ( I doubt that the SoS is representing Obama without frequent consultations on Russian and European reaction to American (and other) diplomatic solutions. )

I don't recall the WS being concerned with all the time W was not at a meeting -- and he obviously missed some.

[jakeXT]

21. Bush couldn't talk, if there was one president, where it was obvious that he wasn't running anything

it was W.

The question is, who is tweaking the information, who can you trust ? Are you getting real intelligence and then manipulate it?
Or are you in the dark from the beginning?
Are people in direct talks/briefings with the president trying to influence him and he therefore tries to get the information in written form? In this way he can check it with more trusted officials or officials that are in agreement with his beliefs.

A former senior intelligence official told me that the Obama administration had altered the available information – in terms of its timing and sequence – to enable the president and his advisers to make intelligence retrieved days after the attack look as if it had been picked up and analysed in real time, as the attack was happening. The distortion, he said, reminded him of the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, when the Johnson administration reversed the sequence of National Security Agency intercepts to justify one of the early bombings of North Vietnam.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin

While his predecessor might have preferred an oral daily briefing, Obama religiously reads a written version of the same prepared material, often on a secure iPad (He often receives an in-person briefing in addition, aides note, as well as real-time national security updates during the day, both in the office and on the road.)

...
Aides say there is no evidence to suggest an in-person briefing is any more or less efficient or effective than the president’s consuming the material electronically or in print.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/is-president-obama-skipping-intelligence-briefings/

[karynnj]

33. Hersh is just wrong there

It was very clear that the US analyzed the data AFTER the fact - in fact, had they analyzed it in real time and understood it, it would have been unthinkable that they did not move to stop the incipient attack. Hersh, who did excellent reporting in Vietnam really was on shaky ground on Syria. (You might have noticed the UN made stronger comments this week that their analysis of the gas showed it matched the government's gas. )

By the way, your comment really did not relate to what I said.

[yurbud]

22. Did Putin ask for Obama and the EU to stop funding right wing parties and fomenting riots

on states bordering Russia in exchange for that?

As in the Israel/Palestine conflict, we are not a disinterested party.

A lot of our bases in Central Asia and even the war in Afghanistan are about taking control of Russia's oil and gas business, or at the very least, controlling the transfer of their fuel to the rest of the world.