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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:49 PM Mar 2014

Democrats Clock All-Nighter With Climate Talk

Source: NBC Los Angeles

Democratic senators clocked an all-nighter, working in shifts into Tuesday morning to warn of the devastation from climate change and the danger of inaction.

Addressing a nearly empty chamber and visitor gallery, more than two dozen speakers agreed with each other about the need to act on climate change. Naysayers — Republicans — largely stayed away, arguing hours earlier that regulation would cost Americans jobs in a sluggish economy.

The talk-a-thon ended at 8:55 a.m., almost 15 hours since it began. It was the 35th all-night session since 1915, according to the Senate.

Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, who flew aboard the space shuttle Columbia in 1986, said when he looked out at the rim of the earth, "you could see what sustains all of life, the atmosphere. I became more than an environmentalist. I saw in its entirety how fragile this ecosystem is."

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Read more: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/Democrats-Clock-All-Nighter-With-Climate-Talk--249439971.html

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Democrats Clock All-Nighter With Climate Talk (Original Post) bananas Mar 2014 OP
What Bill Nelson described is called the Overview Effect bananas Mar 2014 #1
Thank you. So true. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #8
Here's the all-night session on C-SPAN's website - 17 hours! bananas Mar 2014 #16
Found it on youtube, posted to the Video Forum bananas Mar 2014 #17
I'm Not Saying That Climate Change Isn't A Serious Problem - But Wouldn't An All Nighter On Jobs.... global1 Mar 2014 #2
Impact? Jansen Mar 2014 #3
There are no jobs on a dead planet. WhiteTara Mar 2014 #19
Good point! ffr Mar 2014 #20
Funny, that's what the republicans claim; Jobs RobertEarl Mar 2014 #5
No. Unless we do something about climate change, none of us will be able to work. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #9
What an exercise in futility. The Stranger Mar 2014 #4
Stranger: Hello? Anybody home? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #11
Oh right. Channel 4 in Los Angeles. The Stranger Mar 2014 #21
K & R Iliyah Mar 2014 #6
I taped most of it. Was it worth watching? jwirr Mar 2014 #7
I watched a little of it. It was great. Sheldon Whitehouse is what I caught. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #10
Take the Pacific Northwest RobertEarl Mar 2014 #12
Thank you. jwirr Mar 2014 #13
Democrats seeking to maintain our only home in the void, Spaceship Earth (large pic): freshwest Mar 2014 #14
Let's say the GOP had a point by saying jobs were at stake here fascisthunter Mar 2014 #15
I'd like to see Marthe48 Mar 2014 #18
Great to see the Dems are on-task on this issue. nt Dem4ever27 Mar 2014 #22

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. What Bill Nelson described is called the Overview Effect
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:55 PM
Mar 2014
Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, who flew aboard the space shuttle Columbia in 1986, said when he looked out at the rim of the earth, "you could see what sustains all of life, the atmosphere. I became more than an environmentalist. I saw in its entirety how fragile this ecosystem is."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_effect

The overview effect is a cognitive shift in awareness reported by some astronauts and cosmonauts during spaceflight, often while viewing the Earth from orbit or from the lunar surface.[1][2][3][4][5]

It refers to the experience of seeing firsthand the reality of the Earth in space, which is immediately understood to be a tiny, fragile ball of life, "hanging in the void", shielded and nourished by a paper-thin atmosphere. From space, the astronauts tell us,[5] national boundaries vanish, the conflicts that divide people become less important, and the need to create a planetary society with the united will to protect this "pale blue dot" becomes both obvious and imperative.

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The term and concept were coined in 1987 by Frank White, who explored them in his book The Overview Effect — Space Exploration and Human Evolution (Houghton-Mifflin, 1987), (AIAA, 1998).[6]

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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. Thank you. So true.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:07 PM
Mar 2014

Any way to post the videos from the night's session on DU? I saw a bit of it, especially Sheldon Whitehouse's talk. It was great. Wow! 90.7% of the heat created in climate change goes into the ocean. That explains why we can have snowstorms in New York City and still be living on a warming planet.

global1

(25,242 posts)
2. I'm Not Saying That Climate Change Isn't A Serious Problem - But Wouldn't An All Nighter On Jobs....
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:57 PM
Mar 2014

by the Dems have made more of an impact? Just askin!!!!!!

Jansen

(105 posts)
3. Impact?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:06 PM
Mar 2014

Seems like more of a symbolic move since the opposition wasn't required to sit in attendance. So, jobs or climate I think the impact would be the same.

IMO the republicans should have been required to listen to the evidence instead of going home. Maybe they would have learned something eh?

ffr

(22,669 posts)
20. Good point!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 01:17 AM
Mar 2014

Earth is the only one that has jobs. We should send the self proclaimed 'job creators' to other worlds to start job programs there. I mean, after all, they're so good at it. It just makes sense!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Funny, that's what the republicans claim; Jobs
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:09 PM
Mar 2014

So now we have another mountain upon which our Democrats stand, pointing down at the republicans stuck in the mud. Proving once again that our party cares about the future and the republicans only care about the profit margin of this quarter.

Not one stinking republican cares one whit about the climate? Not even one has the guts to do the right thing and at least take a few minutes to express support for a cleaner earth?

Gawd damned republicans eat shit and spew venom. The blood is on their hands. Not only do they support war on people, they support killing the planet!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. No. Unless we do something about climate change, none of us will be able to work.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:08 PM
Mar 2014

I suggest you watch Sheldon Whitehouse's presentation last night. That is all I had time to see. I hope to watch more of it. I hope it will be posted on DU.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. Stranger: Hello? Anybody home?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:59 PM
Mar 2014

Uh, this comes from a news article, and you ask if it made the news?

You're not in denial are you?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. I watched a little of it. It was great. Sheldon Whitehouse is what I caught.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:10 PM
Mar 2014

He explained things I did not know. If you know a great deal about climate change and why it is easy for lay people to deny it, his talk explained that 90.7% of the heat due to climate change is absorbed by the oceans. That's why coral reefs are disappearing or dying even though we have snow on the East Coast. I hope to watch a lot more.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
12. Take the Pacific Northwest
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:05 PM
Mar 2014

Even tho its latitude is parallel with the NE of the US, it is constantly much warmer. The reason it is warmer is that the warmth of the Pacific keeps it warm. The oceans have great climate influences on the lands that border them and on global weather. As the oceans heat up the climate near the oceans will also warm.



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. Democrats seeking to maintain our only home in the void, Spaceship Earth (large pic):
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 07:33 PM
Mar 2014


Spaceship Earth is a world view term usually expressing concern over the use of limited resources available on Earth and encouraging everyone on it to act as a harmonious crew working toward the greater good.

In 1965 Adlai Stevenson made a famous speech to the UN in which he said:

We travel together, passengers on a little space ship, dependent on its vulnerable reserves of air and soil; all committed for our safety to its security and peace; preserved from annihilation only by the care, the work, and, I will say, the love we give our fragile craft. We cannot maintain it half fortunate, half miserable, half confident, half despairing, half slave—to the ancient enemies of man—half free in a liberation of resources undreamed of until this day. No craft, no crew can travel safely with such vast contradictions. On their resolution depends the survival of us all.
[2]

The following year,
Spaceship Earth became the title of a book by a friend of Stevenson's, the internationally influential economist Barbara Ward.

Also in 1966 Kenneth E. Boulding used the phrase in the title of an essay, The Economics of the Coming Spaceship Earth.[3] Boulding described the past open economy of apparently illimitable resources, which he said he was tempted to call the "cowboy economy", and continued: "The closed economy of the future might similarly be called the 'spaceman' economy, in which the earth has become a single spaceship, without unlimited reservoirs of anything, either for extraction or for pollution, and in which, therefore, man must find his place in a cyclical ecological system". (David Korten would take up the "cowboys in a spaceship" theme in his 1995 book When Corporations Rule the World.)

The phrase was also popularized by Buckminster Fuller, who published a book in 1968 under the title of Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth.[4] This quotation, referring to fossil fuels, reflects his approach:

"...we can make all of humanity successful through science's world-engulfing industrial evolution provided that we are not so foolish as to continue to exhaust in a split second of astronomical history the orderly energy savings of billions of years' energy conservation aboard our Spaceship Earth. These energy savings have been put into our Spaceship's life-regeneration-guaranteeing bank account for use only in self-starter functions."

United Nations Secretary-General U Thant spoke of Spaceship Earth on Earth Day March 21, 1971 at the ceremony of the ringing of the Japanese Peace Bell:

"May there only be peaceful and cheerful Earth Days to come for our beautiful Spaceship Earth as it continues to spin and circle in frigid space with its warm and fragile cargo of animate life."
[5]
This is a conflict with the GOP and Libertarian ideology; the theology of the End Timers and the heirarchy of the plutocrats and aristocrats, roughly described here:

Spaceship Earth:

The earliest known use is a passage in Henry George's best known work, Progress and Poverty[1] (1879). From book IV, chapter 2:


It is a well-provisioned ship, this on which we sail through space. If the bread and beef above decks seem to grow scarce, we but open a hatch and there is a new supply, of which before we never dreamed.

And very great command over the services of others comes to those who as the hatches are opened are permitted to say, "This is mine!"

One person is quoted at the Wikipedia page who doesn't agree - there is some truth to what he says, but it doesn't negate the concept, IMO. It rather gives urgency to our need to value the productive capacities for life on this small planet even more, in the harsh and unforgiving 'vacuum' of space beyond our atmosphere:

David Deutsch
has pointed out that the picture of Earth as a friendly "spaceship" habitat is difficult to defend even in metaphorical sense. The Earth environment is harsh and survival is constant struggle for life, including whole species extinction. Humans wouldn't be able to live in most of the areas where they are living now without knowledge necessary to build life-support systems such as houses, heating, water supply etc.[6]

One could easily say that this is no Garden of Eden, kept going by supernatural means, but that does not mean that the means of life are so random that they cannot be nurtured.

Not particularly caring about his opinion, as what he stated is a bald fact to even the most uneducated person on the planet. To give up on working to save life, which he may not have meant to say there, is foolishness.

It is almost on par with the nihilist Rapture theology, which rather than a call to living one's life extremely well according to God's Will to pass a test, has effectively discarded the value of life on this planet. If you are going to removed from destruction, you don't care about other people or life on this planet. Because you are superior to your God, and won't suffer the fate of the Earth.

We also have the CTers, who claim to be revealing ancient esoteric knowledge, that shows there is going to be a fascist world government. And that Democrats, liberals and progessives are the tools of evil persons, some satanic and possibly from off world, or of a special bloodline, who have always ruled the world and will continue to do so, if the 'sheeple' don't all 'wake up' and leave the system of government and society to join their cults of guns, biologically defined roles, fundamentalist christianity and the like.

If we do not become more brutal than their fantasies of the rulers, ready to kill liberals, Democrats, socialists, gays, uppity women and minorities, or whoever is on their list.

They are really working for the ones who would bring a world society based on corporatism, using fossil fuels, destroying the carrying capacity of the planet for the wealth of the Koches and their spiritual kin, and bringing the exact tyranny that they fear.

So much of climate change denialism and anti-science rhetoric is based on a fear of a one world government based on the creation of castes of people, just as their nightmare says. They are against this and say that nationalism and their kind of patriotism is all that will save us, which leads us right back to the quote above:

And very great command over the services of others comes to those who as the hatches are opened are permitted to say, "This is mine!"

It is the creed of Randians, Supermen, Nazi master race proponents, and the like. It would be amusing if they were not so dangerous.

I'll stop here. Not interested in editing but adding the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceship_Earth

Thanks for posting this. Hope to see videos and or transcripts of the all-nighter later.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
15. Let's say the GOP had a point by saying jobs were at stake here
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 07:50 PM
Mar 2014

Jobs or something as devastating as the effects of global warming. Which of the two are more serious concerns if what they say is true, which I do NOT. Crazy.

Marthe48

(16,941 posts)
18. I'd like to see
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:31 PM
Mar 2014

people who live in a pristine environment, such as undeveloped areas in the western U.S. exchange some of their time in a horribly polluted area, and people who live in a polluted area, spend some time in a clean place. As people, we tend to live locally. If we live in a clean place, it is hard to accept that the planet is polluted and endangered. And people who live in pollution see it as a status quo that isn't possible to change. But if climate change deniers especially had a chance to see a bigger picture, maybe they would understand what is happening and we could move forward. I'm not talking about a vacation. I'm talking about a focused program where people could see polluted water, clean water (if there is any left!), talk to people who suffer illness from pollution vs people who live in an environment that promotes health. Talk to people who have suffered from climate change, like the cattle ranchers in South Dakota, or bee keepers anywhere. Talk to people who have taken action to clean up their city or water or air. Talk to people who are seeing the reefs die off or less diversity in the oceans. We can't all go into space and see for ourselves the fragile planet we live on. Maybe seeing the best and the worst firsthand would change some minds.

I appreciate the effort these leaders took, and I hope they aren't just preaching to the choir.

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