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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:34 PM Mar 2014

Here's The List Of Americans Who Just Got Sanctioned By Russia

Source: TPM

IGOR BOBIC – MARCH 20, 2014, 12:08 PM EDT

Following a new round of sanctions announced by President Barack Obama in response to Russia's invasion of the Ukrainian Crimea, the Russian Foreign Ministry on Thursday responded in kind.

Here's the American officials who made the list, via Roll Call's Steven Dennis:



“The Speaker is proud to be included on a list of those willing to stand against Putin’s aggression," said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).

"I'm proud to be sanctioned by Putin - I'll never cease my efforts & dedication to freedom & independence of #Ukraine, which includes #Crimea," Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) tweeted after the announcement.

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Here's The List Of Americans Who Just Got Sanctioned By Russia (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2014 OP
Can't see twitter feeds at work JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #1
I didn't make the list Renew Deal Mar 2014 #2
I wonder if there's someplace we can go sign up! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #12
We need to get a petition started to send to Putin. Rozlee Mar 2014 #18
Get one that says "Harry Reid got Sanctioned and all I got was this lousy T-shirt", n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #19
I so want one! levp Mar 2014 #20
What's up with the alternative spellings? tarheelsunc Mar 2014 #3
Phonetic spelling. /nt Ash_F Mar 2014 #6
That's the way the Russians spelled the names when they DonViejo Mar 2014 #8
Transliteration to and back from Cyrillic, I'd guess muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #9
That's it exactly. Chan790 Mar 2014 #65
Well...nobody important, apparently. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #4
Good one. nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #13
no Lindsey Graham irisblue Mar 2014 #5
Poor Lindsey Gothmog Mar 2014 #52
How about the US sanction the Koch brothers. olddad56 Mar 2014 #7
I'll sign on to that one. bvar22 Mar 2014 #26
If I was Russia jamzrockz Mar 2014 #10
You've got that right... We'll hear about this from him as long as he's still breathing, no doubt. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #22
That might have been intentional. JoeyT Mar 2014 #53
good point. I bet Gramps is pleased as punch! treestar Mar 2014 #55
Sanctioning McCain & Boehner doesn't exactly screw with the President. They don't get the concept 24601 Mar 2014 #59
Lol, good one jamzrockz Mar 2014 #64
I have to agree with you that one may have been mistake davidpdx Mar 2014 #67
Are we back in elementary school? Iliyah Mar 2014 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #14
Put T.J. Oshie on that list, you cowardly bastards!!!! Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #15
Anyone curious why they didn't put Romney on the list? After all, Romney said Russia was our okaawhatever Mar 2014 #16
Probably because he isn't an elected official. JVS Mar 2014 #17
But neither are those assistants to the President, right? treestar Mar 2014 #56
Ooops. my bad. I used elected official where I should have said government official. JVS Mar 2014 #60
Yes, it looks like our sanctions went against some treestar Mar 2014 #61
maybe Romney is on Americas list. Any American investors/traders in Russia should be shut down. Sunlei Mar 2014 #33
So the US made a list of people, who will NEVER come to the US, then Russia does the same. happyslug Mar 2014 #21
Welcome to the world of diplomacy... Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #24
I think a list of naked in public bans is important dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #27
I agree! Sarah Palin needs to be on that list too, and Ted Nugent! treestar Mar 2014 #57
Well, in this century it is possible to make investments without leaving one's home. MADem Mar 2014 #28
So you have a wife or relative do the transaction IF YOU OWN ANYTHING IN THE OTHER COUNTRY. happyslug Mar 2014 #37
You really think those bankers and multi-billionaires don't have any nexus with USA? MADem Mar 2014 #38
I also believe it is easy to by pass these restrictions happyslug Mar 2014 #41
Not if the assets are ALREADY frozen. MADem Mar 2014 #42
Right. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #45
That explains those assistants of the President a bit treestar Mar 2014 #58
Sucks they have less influence than the west iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #23
Meaningless and weak for Obama to sanction Putin's bank and his multi-billionaire friends? MADem Mar 2014 #29
agree that's not weak at all. No more bank accounts access hurts bigtime. Sunlei Mar 2014 #32
So will the GOP continue to cheer on and worship Putin as a "tough leader" BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #25
I'd like to sanction John McCain also. lumpy Mar 2014 #30
why did he "sanction" them are they investors in russia or what rule/law did they break? Sunlei Mar 2014 #31
Indeed. Putin is playing the game of false equivalence. MADem Mar 2014 #43
Putins wealthy 'buddies' must be extremely pissed off at him. Can you imagine being stuck in russia, Sunlei Mar 2014 #47
But..... but...... but......!!! MADem Mar 2014 #48
The Stray dog Rescue!! Olympics!! Sunlei Mar 2014 #50
They are all good Democrats. dreamstst Mar 2014 #34
John Boehner is a "good Democrat"? So is John McCain? Daniel Coats? Did you even read the list? uppityperson Mar 2014 #39
I think Putins list are those he saw on TV & he got angry.... Sunlei Mar 2014 #49
Errrrrrr......welcome to DU. You might want to review the difference between Democrats and MADem Mar 2014 #44
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #46
Hmmmmmmm... I'd say not really. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #51
rather this list than big ol' bear hugs. Sheepshank Mar 2014 #35
Obama's weak and meaningless sanctions smitty Mar 2014 #36
Again... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #40
Ha ha ha....so much for all that "weak" nonsense! GOBAMA! nt MADem Mar 2014 #63
Russian Lawmakers: Sanction ALL of us Mr. Obama not just a few. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #54
Ha ha ha! MADem Mar 2014 #62
Thank God Fred Phelps isn't on the list!! Kurovski Mar 2014 #66

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
18. We need to get a petition started to send to Putin.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:20 PM
Mar 2014

The "I Want To Get Sanctioned Too" petition. It's not fair. I want a t-shirt that says "I'm Sanctioned By Russia."

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
8. That's the way the Russians spelled the names when they
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:52 PM
Mar 2014

released the list. I'm pretty sure English speaking folk do the same thing to Russian names.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,153 posts)
9. Transliteration to and back from Cyrillic, I'd guess
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:53 PM
Mar 2014

So they write 'Reid' and 'Reed' the same in Russian, for instance.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
65. That's it exactly.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:56 PM
Mar 2014

The same thing happens with names in international competition. The names on hockey jerseys in international competitions (World Junior Championships, Olympics, International Exhibitions, etc.) are by the bylaws of the IIHF (International Ice Hockey Federation) in Western typefaces...English, basically. Most of the IIHF members (US, Canada, France, Sweden, Germany, Austria, Norway, Finland, Czech Republic and I'm forgetting probably another 6-7.) use Western writing.

The fact that Russia and everybody else transliterate differently has been an issue for almost 30 years.
Same guy. Two different Western transliterations: Semin, Syomin





They decided a few years ago to standardize it and they still come up with two different results.

irisblue

(32,829 posts)
5. no Lindsey Graham
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:51 PM
Mar 2014

he will has a sad I bet can we nominate additions to the list? how could they miss that twit?

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
10. If I was Russia
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:01 PM
Mar 2014

I would have left McCain off the list just show how little they think of him. Now he has a campaign line he is going to use to win another 6 yr term in the senate.

Russia doesn't know how to do PR.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
22. You've got that right... We'll hear about this from him as long as he's still breathing, no doubt.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:43 PM
Mar 2014

Welcome to DU!

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
53. That might have been intentional.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:31 PM
Mar 2014

"Sanction me? I'll show you! See how you like dealing with that grumpy ol' bastard for another six years!"

24601

(3,940 posts)
59. Sanctioning McCain & Boehner doesn't exactly screw with the President. They don't get the concept
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:57 PM
Mar 2014

than anyone in government might be in opposition to an administration.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
64. Lol, good one
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:20 PM
Mar 2014

They actually sanctioned his political adversary in McCain and Boehner. Not a very smart move

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

okaawhatever

(9,453 posts)
16. Anyone curious why they didn't put Romney on the list? After all, Romney said Russia was our
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:14 PM
Mar 2014

number one geopolitical foe. He sold the shares of Russia's state owned gas company in the past. Maybe he's bought some since....

JVS

(61,935 posts)
60. Ooops. my bad. I used elected official where I should have said government official.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:58 PM
Mar 2014

While the assistants to the president aren't elected, they're at least part of our government apparatus. Romney and Palin are just former political candidates and don't exercise any office. Notice also that Hillary Clinton didn't make the list. Probably because at this point in time she also doesn't have a position in the government.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
61. Yes, it looks like our sanctions went against some
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014

Putin officials that are similar, and Putin thinks he is doing the same in reverse, which is likely not the case at all.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
21. So the US made a list of people, who will NEVER come to the US, then Russia does the same.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:37 PM
Mar 2014

A lot about nothing. The US made a list of Russians who NEVER plan to go to the US, then the Russians made a list of Americans who will never go to Russia. What next, a list of people who are forbidden to appear naked in public? Please tell me something that actually amounts to something as oppose to meaningless lists.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. I think a list of naked in public bans is important
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:43 PM
Mar 2014

Take McCain, fer instance..he should NEVER be allowed to be naked in public.
Never.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Well, in this century it is possible to make investments without leaving one's home.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:53 PM
Mar 2014

You are, I fear, missing the point. Rather profoundly, too.

When one is sanctioned one is unable to profit from the economy of the nation that is giving the individual the stiff arm. Now, we have rules about government officials profiting, at least while they are in office--they aren't terribly great rules, but they're a bit more onerous than the ones that allow Putin, with no outside source of income, to have a luxury WATCH collection that is worth a dozen times his annual salary (for starters). Obama's list isn't just "government officials" either--it's a way of hitting those noxious little turds in their purses:

WASHINGTON (AP) — New U.S. sanctions against Russia include President Vladimir Putin's longtime associate and chief of staff, his close friends, some of the richest men in the country and the head of Russian Railways.

President Barack Obama is expanding economic sanctions against Moscow, targeting 20 individuals inside and outside the government as well as a Russian bank that provides them support.

The Treasury Department says among those sanctioned is Sergei Ivanov, one of Putin's closest associates. Also being hit are a private bank owned by Yuri Kovalchuk, who is considered to be Putin's banker; and two life-long Putin friends who have become multibillionaires during his presidency.


Starting to make the connection?
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
37. So you have a wife or relative do the transaction IF YOU OWN ANYTHING IN THE OTHER COUNTRY.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:27 PM
Mar 2014

Most, if not all, of the people on both lists, do NOT own things in the other country. So Putin has a huge watch collection and a huge source of outside income. As to huge income, so do most drug dealers, and they have no problems with getting their money out of the US.

If this had been a TOTAL ban on ALL transaction, then it would be much harder to work around the ban, but as it is, it is like a ban on being naked in public in a country that person has no intention of every being in.

The significant acts, the acts that Putin will take notice of, is the movement of Planes, Ships and Troops the the Baltic States. Putin has to react to such a movement of potential forces that could attack Russia. Notice, Putin does NOT have to attack, just do something to show his concerns.

I always like the story of the Russian Fleet visiting America during the US Civil War. Why did it come? To show England and France that if they intervene in the US Civil War, Russia will support the US Federal Government. Russia did not say it would send its fleet to North America if the British or French intervened (that would have been foolish, for the English and French Fleet would have destroyed the Russia Fleet with ease), but Russia was saying it would do all it could to support the Federal US Government, which of course included sending troops into Afghanistan to threaten British India, and sending Troops to the border of Turkey, to threatened not only Turkey, but the French influence in what is now Lebanon and Syria (France has been involved in both areas since the Crusades and keep that influence even as those areas were technically ruled by Turkey, Britain had the same relationship with Palestine, for while it was part of the Ottoman Empire, it was on the flank of British Controlled Egypt).

No threats were made, no sanctions issued, the act of sending the fleet was enough to show England and France that the US had friends (The US also agreed to pay for the cost of sending the Russian Fleet, but was NOT paid during the Civil War, To cover up that payment, when Russia sold Alaska to the US in 1867, the price of Alaska was increased to include those costs).

Another example was the US movement of its Battle fleet from San Diego to Hawaii in 1941 forced Japan to have to deal with it. If the fleet had remained in San Diego, it was to far for Japan to launch an attack AND have those ship back home to participate in the conquest of the Western Pacific. On the other hand San Diego was to far away for the US Fleet to get to the Western Pacific before Japan rolled up most of the Western Pacific. Thus the US moved its fleet to be closer to where Japan was going to move, and Japan then attacked Pearl Harbor. Notice if the US Fleet had remained in San Diego, Pearl Harbor would NOT have been hit, but at the same time, the US Fleet would have been to far away to do anything about the Japanese movements in the Western Pacific. Thus Japan could ignore the US Fleet in San Diego, but had to address it when it was in Hawaii. In 1941 the movement of the US fleet lead to an attack, but the decision to attack and take over the Western Pacific had already been made by Japan and the only issue was HOW. The Movement of the US Fleet decided HOW Japan would attack.

Notice, the movement of the US Fleet, should have been enough for Japan to put off its attack on the Western Pacific. Instead Japan decided to take out the US Fleet first and then take over the Western Pacific. That change in plans was caused by the US movement of its fleet. Now in regards in 1941, the movement of the Fleet lead to war, but that is NOT what was intended. What was intended was to send a message to Japan that it would pay a high price for taking over the whole Western Pacific. I hesitate to bring up Pearl Harbor for it did lead to war, unlike the Russian imperial fleet visit to the US during the US Civil War, but it is another example of a movement of forces to send a message (The problem was Japan received the message and decided the "Answer" was to destroy the US Fleet). In most cases, war is NOT the result, the side being sent the message, accept the message and acts in ways to avoid conflict (For example the French and British stayed out of the US Civil War).

Such messages cost money, someone has to pay for the fuel, Supplies and pay for the soldiers and sailors sent to send the message, but they are more effective then making a list of people who is NOT permitted to make business deals in your country.

Economic boycotts on individuals are to easy to by pass to be effective. Even total embargo rarely work (look at Iraq under Saddam for example). What works are movement of troops that forces the other country to do something do to the movement. Thus the recent Russia complaints about Latvia discriminating against Russian living in Latvia. Whether it is true or not is unimportant, but it does show Russia wanting to address the movement of NATO forces into those Countries, for in the eyes of Russia such a movement by NATO could be the first step in an attack on Russia. Russia thus has to address that movement of troops and by threatening to invade Estonia and Latvia is one way to address that movement of troops.

Side note: In the mid 1800s, the two closest countries in the World were Russia and the United States. It was understood by everyone that an attack on one, would lead to the other doing things to support the other (Through no actual declaration of war). For example, the US send supplies to Sevastopol during the Crimea War. Russian ships could not go through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles but "neutral" American Ships could and did. Russia massed troops along the Afghan border during the US Civil War, forcing the British to reinforce India with troops that would have been needed in America if Britain had decided to intervene.

To maintain this relationship, both countries decided it would be easier for the US to defend Alaska from Attack then could Russia, thus long before Alaska was "sold" the US had interests in Alaska (And Russia retain interests in Alaska long after 1867). It was thus to both countries interest to keep Alaska out of British Hands that Russia turned Alaska over to the US, not anything else.

One of the reasons the US hated the Soviet Union so much, was the US had had a long relationship with Russia and the switch to being Communistic was a shock to American Leadership. Imperial Russia was one of the cornerstone of American Foreign policy as late as 1917. The US supported the Interim Government that followed the March Revolution, but when the Communists took over in November 1917, the US rejected the switch and even sent in troops to undo that revolution.

Just a comment that alliances are NEVER permanent, but common interests lead to being allied.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. You really think those bankers and multi-billionaires don't have any nexus with USA?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:51 PM
Mar 2014

I can see Putin's list being meaningless, but NOT the other way around. And names CAN be added to a list--you think USA won't be watching?

I will say, though, that your comparison of Putin to a drug dealer is quite apt.

And if you don't think sanctions are effective, you should visit Tehran. Yes, you can get many things, smuggled or delivered through third party entrepreneurs, but they cost the earth, and they disrupt economies that should be growing instead of struggling.

And during the Civil War, Russia had a very different system of government--it was as much unlike what it is today as to almost be regarded as another country.

Our POTUS is a very incremental gentleman. He's not going for full-bore sanctions (that sort of thing is closer to a last step on this sort of 'economic consequences' road, not first); he's doing a little bit of a "gangster lean" on Putin's ride, but not clubbing it with a wrecking ball.

The idea is to make Pootie's multi-billionaire pals whine and squawk. He doesn't want them screeching and sobbing, at least not just yet.

As for this whole Crimean debacle, Putin is full of shit. There's no nice way to put it. He already has a treaty with Ukraine that gives him basing rights at that seaport until 2047. He didn't need to invade to secure that.

I'm with Angela Merkel on that guy...he's not playing with a full deck.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
41. I also believe it is easy to by pass these restrictions
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:16 PM
Mar 2014

These restrictions are to easy to by pass by anyone who actually wants to. That is my point, the US has NOT been the center of the World since the 1960s. The "City" of London has regained its dominance of international finance, followed by the German and Swiss banks. The US owns a lot of the banks in those banking centers, but the banks themselves are free from most US Regulations (and can transfer any funds to another unit or bank that is free of such restrictions). Thus not being able to make deals in the US is NOT that big a restrictions today (compared to the 1940s when the US WAS The center of the world, for the GDP of the US equal just less then half the Total world GDP).

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. Not if the assets are ALREADY frozen.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:22 PM
Mar 2014

They can try to start up some "new business" up in here, but they risk, every day, getting caught. And if they get caught, they lose that dough, too! Bring it on--we'll keep their ill-gotten gains on ice; why not?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
58. That explains those assistants of the President a bit
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:55 PM
Mar 2014

a tit for tat. And right, their sanctioning of our officials is sillier than ours, since our government officials have to divest themselves for conflicts of interest.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
23. Sucks they have less influence than the west
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 01:43 PM
Mar 2014

and is even more meaningless and weak as what the US did earlier.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. Meaningless and weak for Obama to sanction Putin's bank and his multi-billionaire friends?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:59 PM
Mar 2014

I think those multi-billionaires might take a different view, particularly if they are heavily invested in US stocks, bonds, or other businesses or instruments.

BumRushDaShow

(127,305 posts)
25. So will the GOP continue to cheer on and worship Putin as a "tough leader"
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:39 PM
Mar 2014

(completely ignoring that he is, God forbid, a product of "America's sworn enemy" - the "Commie USSR&quot ?





Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. why did he "sanction" them are they investors in russia or what rule/law did they break?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 03:58 PM
Mar 2014

what penalty, do they have bank accounts to close? trade to stop? Not allowed travel to Russia? Putin you're an idiot with power, a dangerous person. Go ahead sanction me!!! I bought mammoth bones dredged up from your coastlines!!

sanc·tion
/ˈsaNG(k)SHən/

noun
noun: sanction; plural noun: sanctions
1. a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.
"a range of sanctions aimed at deterring insider abuse"
synonyms: penalty, punishment, deterrent; More
punitive action, discipline, restriction; embargo, ban, prohibition, boycott










MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. Indeed. Putin is playing the game of false equivalence.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:29 PM
Mar 2014

He's trying to play "match-y, match-y" with Obama. Our politicians are less likely to have any substantive investments in Russia.

OTOH, Putin's political pals...and his rich buddies, DO have investments in USA; stocks, bonds, real estate, luxury apartments, all sorts of "stuff."

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
47. Putins wealthy 'buddies' must be extremely pissed off at him. Can you imagine being stuck in russia,
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:53 PM
Mar 2014

,your bank is 'closed', your summer in Colorado is gone and you don't want to get on Putins 'bad side'..

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
39. John Boehner is a "good Democrat"? So is John McCain? Daniel Coats? Did you even read the list?
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:52 PM
Mar 2014

Robert Menendez is a Dem but "good"?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
49. I think Putins list are those he saw on TV & he got angry....
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:56 PM
Mar 2014

He's a weird man to have as 'Leader' of a country. Strange list!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. Errrrrrr......welcome to DU. You might want to review the difference between Democrats and
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014

Republicans before you make any more embarrassing posts.

Response to MADem (Reply #44)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
35. rather this list than big ol' bear hugs.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 04:16 PM
Mar 2014

That's gonna be pretty hard to explain away later, during election time.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
40. Again...
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:10 PM
Mar 2014
S&P downgrades Russian outlook to 'negative'

Standard &Poor's on Thursday revised the outlook for the Russian Federation to negative from stable on rising geopolitical and economic risks.

The rating agency affirmed Russia's BBB foreign currency rating.

"The outlook revision reflects our view of the material and unanticipated economic and financial consequences that EU and U.S. sanctions could have on Russia's creditworthiness following Russia's incorporation of Crimea, which the international community currently considers legally to be a part of Ukraine," S&P said in a statement.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. Ha ha ha!
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:13 PM
Mar 2014

That reminds me of a famous DUer who asked Skinner to tombstone him, right effing now!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2507034

Pootie's Lawmakers to Obama: Since you can't take us invading neighboring nations, Obama, sanction us right the fuck now!!!!

Obama: OK.


I'd love to see POTUS pull a Skinner on the Pootiepal brigade!!!

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