Here's The List Of Americans Who Just Got Sanctioned By Russia
Source: TPM
IGOR BOBIC MARCH 20, 2014, 12:08 PM EDT
Following a new round of sanctions announced by President Barack Obama in response to Russia's invasion of the Ukrainian Crimea, the Russian Foreign Ministry on Thursday responded in kind.
Here's the American officials who made the list, via Roll Call's Steven Dennis:
The Speaker is proud to be included on a list of those willing to stand against Putins aggression," said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).
"I'm proud to be sanctioned by Putin - I'll never cease my efforts & dedication to freedom & independence of #Ukraine, which includes #Crimea," Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) tweeted after the announcement.
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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-russia-sanctions
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)Just all the members of Congress and President Obama's administration?
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)RKP5637
(67,032 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)The "I Want To Get Sanctioned Too" petition. It's not fair. I want a t-shirt that says "I'm Sanctioned By Russia."
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Or at least an "I was sanctioned by Russia" button!
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Harry Reed? John Beyner?
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)released the list. I'm pretty sure English speaking folk do the same thing to Russian names.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,153 posts)So they write 'Reid' and 'Reed' the same in Russian, for instance.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The same thing happens with names in international competition. The names on hockey jerseys in international competitions (World Junior Championships, Olympics, International Exhibitions, etc.) are by the bylaws of the IIHF (International Ice Hockey Federation) in Western typefaces...English, basically. Most of the IIHF members (US, Canada, France, Sweden, Germany, Austria, Norway, Finland, Czech Republic and I'm forgetting probably another 6-7.) use Western writing.
The fact that Russia and everybody else transliterate differently has been an issue for almost 30 years.
Same guy. Two different Western transliterations: Semin, Syomin
They decided a few years ago to standardize it and they still come up with two different results.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)okaawhatever
(9,453 posts)irisblue
(32,829 posts)he will has a sad I bet can we nominate additions to the list? how could they miss that twit?
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)It would have helped his primary contest if he had been named
olddad56
(5,732 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Now that they have traded "sanctions",
what is next?
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)I would have left McCain off the list just show how little they think of him. Now he has a campaign line he is going to use to win another 6 yr term in the senate.
Russia doesn't know how to do PR.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Welcome to DU!
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)"Sanction me? I'll show you! See how you like dealing with that grumpy ol' bastard for another six years!"
treestar
(82,383 posts)24601
(3,940 posts)than anyone in government might be in opposition to an administration.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)They actually sanctioned his political adversary in McCain and Boehner. Not a very smart move
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Then again Gramps is pretty belligerent.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Funny posts at TPM tho.
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)okaawhatever
(9,453 posts)number one geopolitical foe. He sold the shares of Russia's state owned gas company in the past. Maybe he's bought some since....
JVS
(61,935 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Weird choice on their part.
JVS
(61,935 posts)While the assistants to the president aren't elected, they're at least part of our government apparatus. Romney and Palin are just former political candidates and don't exercise any office. Notice also that Hillary Clinton didn't make the list. Probably because at this point in time she also doesn't have a position in the government.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Putin officials that are similar, and Putin thinks he is doing the same in reverse, which is likely not the case at all.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)A lot about nothing. The US made a list of Russians who NEVER plan to go to the US, then the Russians made a list of Americans who will never go to Russia. What next, a list of people who are forbidden to appear naked in public? Please tell me something that actually amounts to something as oppose to meaningless lists.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Take McCain, fer instance..he should NEVER be allowed to be naked in public.
Never.
treestar
(82,383 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You are, I fear, missing the point. Rather profoundly, too.
When one is sanctioned one is unable to profit from the economy of the nation that is giving the individual the stiff arm. Now, we have rules about government officials profiting, at least while they are in office--they aren't terribly great rules, but they're a bit more onerous than the ones that allow Putin, with no outside source of income, to have a luxury WATCH collection that is worth a dozen times his annual salary (for starters). Obama's list isn't just "government officials" either--it's a way of hitting those noxious little turds in their purses:
WASHINGTON (AP) New U.S. sanctions against Russia include President Vladimir Putin's longtime associate and chief of staff, his close friends, some of the richest men in the country and the head of Russian Railways.
President Barack Obama is expanding economic sanctions against Moscow, targeting 20 individuals inside and outside the government as well as a Russian bank that provides them support.
The Treasury Department says among those sanctioned is Sergei Ivanov, one of Putin's closest associates. Also being hit are a private bank owned by Yuri Kovalchuk, who is considered to be Putin's banker; and two life-long Putin friends who have become multibillionaires during his presidency.
Starting to make the connection?
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Most, if not all, of the people on both lists, do NOT own things in the other country. So Putin has a huge watch collection and a huge source of outside income. As to huge income, so do most drug dealers, and they have no problems with getting their money out of the US.
If this had been a TOTAL ban on ALL transaction, then it would be much harder to work around the ban, but as it is, it is like a ban on being naked in public in a country that person has no intention of every being in.
The significant acts, the acts that Putin will take notice of, is the movement of Planes, Ships and Troops the the Baltic States. Putin has to react to such a movement of potential forces that could attack Russia. Notice, Putin does NOT have to attack, just do something to show his concerns.
I always like the story of the Russian Fleet visiting America during the US Civil War. Why did it come? To show England and France that if they intervene in the US Civil War, Russia will support the US Federal Government. Russia did not say it would send its fleet to North America if the British or French intervened (that would have been foolish, for the English and French Fleet would have destroyed the Russia Fleet with ease), but Russia was saying it would do all it could to support the Federal US Government, which of course included sending troops into Afghanistan to threaten British India, and sending Troops to the border of Turkey, to threatened not only Turkey, but the French influence in what is now Lebanon and Syria (France has been involved in both areas since the Crusades and keep that influence even as those areas were technically ruled by Turkey, Britain had the same relationship with Palestine, for while it was part of the Ottoman Empire, it was on the flank of British Controlled Egypt).
No threats were made, no sanctions issued, the act of sending the fleet was enough to show England and France that the US had friends (The US also agreed to pay for the cost of sending the Russian Fleet, but was NOT paid during the Civil War, To cover up that payment, when Russia sold Alaska to the US in 1867, the price of Alaska was increased to include those costs).
Another example was the US movement of its Battle fleet from San Diego to Hawaii in 1941 forced Japan to have to deal with it. If the fleet had remained in San Diego, it was to far for Japan to launch an attack AND have those ship back home to participate in the conquest of the Western Pacific. On the other hand San Diego was to far away for the US Fleet to get to the Western Pacific before Japan rolled up most of the Western Pacific. Thus the US moved its fleet to be closer to where Japan was going to move, and Japan then attacked Pearl Harbor. Notice if the US Fleet had remained in San Diego, Pearl Harbor would NOT have been hit, but at the same time, the US Fleet would have been to far away to do anything about the Japanese movements in the Western Pacific. Thus Japan could ignore the US Fleet in San Diego, but had to address it when it was in Hawaii. In 1941 the movement of the US fleet lead to an attack, but the decision to attack and take over the Western Pacific had already been made by Japan and the only issue was HOW. The Movement of the US Fleet decided HOW Japan would attack.
Notice, the movement of the US Fleet, should have been enough for Japan to put off its attack on the Western Pacific. Instead Japan decided to take out the US Fleet first and then take over the Western Pacific. That change in plans was caused by the US movement of its fleet. Now in regards in 1941, the movement of the Fleet lead to war, but that is NOT what was intended. What was intended was to send a message to Japan that it would pay a high price for taking over the whole Western Pacific. I hesitate to bring up Pearl Harbor for it did lead to war, unlike the Russian imperial fleet visit to the US during the US Civil War, but it is another example of a movement of forces to send a message (The problem was Japan received the message and decided the "Answer" was to destroy the US Fleet). In most cases, war is NOT the result, the side being sent the message, accept the message and acts in ways to avoid conflict (For example the French and British stayed out of the US Civil War).
Such messages cost money, someone has to pay for the fuel, Supplies and pay for the soldiers and sailors sent to send the message, but they are more effective then making a list of people who is NOT permitted to make business deals in your country.
Economic boycotts on individuals are to easy to by pass to be effective. Even total embargo rarely work (look at Iraq under Saddam for example). What works are movement of troops that forces the other country to do something do to the movement. Thus the recent Russia complaints about Latvia discriminating against Russian living in Latvia. Whether it is true or not is unimportant, but it does show Russia wanting to address the movement of NATO forces into those Countries, for in the eyes of Russia such a movement by NATO could be the first step in an attack on Russia. Russia thus has to address that movement of troops and by threatening to invade Estonia and Latvia is one way to address that movement of troops.
To maintain this relationship, both countries decided it would be easier for the US to defend Alaska from Attack then could Russia, thus long before Alaska was "sold" the US had interests in Alaska (And Russia retain interests in Alaska long after 1867). It was thus to both countries interest to keep Alaska out of British Hands that Russia turned Alaska over to the US, not anything else.
One of the reasons the US hated the Soviet Union so much, was the US had had a long relationship with Russia and the switch to being Communistic was a shock to American Leadership. Imperial Russia was one of the cornerstone of American Foreign policy as late as 1917. The US supported the Interim Government that followed the March Revolution, but when the Communists took over in November 1917, the US rejected the switch and even sent in troops to undo that revolution.
Just a comment that alliances are NEVER permanent, but common interests lead to being allied.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I can see Putin's list being meaningless, but NOT the other way around. And names CAN be added to a list--you think USA won't be watching?
I will say, though, that your comparison of Putin to a drug dealer is quite apt.
And if you don't think sanctions are effective, you should visit Tehran. Yes, you can get many things, smuggled or delivered through third party entrepreneurs, but they cost the earth, and they disrupt economies that should be growing instead of struggling.
And during the Civil War, Russia had a very different system of government--it was as much unlike what it is today as to almost be regarded as another country.
Our POTUS is a very incremental gentleman. He's not going for full-bore sanctions (that sort of thing is closer to a last step on this sort of 'economic consequences' road, not first); he's doing a little bit of a "gangster lean" on Putin's ride, but not clubbing it with a wrecking ball.
The idea is to make Pootie's multi-billionaire pals whine and squawk. He doesn't want them screeching and sobbing, at least not just yet.
As for this whole Crimean debacle, Putin is full of shit. There's no nice way to put it. He already has a treaty with Ukraine that gives him basing rights at that seaport until 2047. He didn't need to invade to secure that.
I'm with Angela Merkel on that guy...he's not playing with a full deck.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)These restrictions are to easy to by pass by anyone who actually wants to. That is my point, the US has NOT been the center of the World since the 1960s. The "City" of London has regained its dominance of international finance, followed by the German and Swiss banks. The US owns a lot of the banks in those banking centers, but the banks themselves are free from most US Regulations (and can transfer any funds to another unit or bank that is free of such restrictions). Thus not being able to make deals in the US is NOT that big a restrictions today (compared to the 1940s when the US WAS The center of the world, for the GDP of the US equal just less then half the Total world GDP).
MADem
(135,425 posts)They can try to start up some "new business" up in here, but they risk, every day, getting caught. And if they get caught, they lose that dough, too! Bring it on--we'll keep their ill-gotten gains on ice; why not?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Because there are no EU sanctions.
treestar
(82,383 posts)a tit for tat. And right, their sanctioning of our officials is sillier than ours, since our government officials have to divest themselves for conflicts of interest.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)and is even more meaningless and weak as what the US did earlier.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think those multi-billionaires might take a different view, particularly if they are heavily invested in US stocks, bonds, or other businesses or instruments.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,305 posts)(completely ignoring that he is, God forbid, a product of "America's sworn enemy" - the "Commie USSR" ?
lumpy
(13,704 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)what penalty, do they have bank accounts to close? trade to stop? Not allowed travel to Russia? Putin you're an idiot with power, a dangerous person. Go ahead sanction me!!! I bought mammoth bones dredged up from your coastlines!!
sanc·tion
/ˈsaNG(k)SHən/
noun
noun: sanction; plural noun: sanctions
1. a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.
"a range of sanctions aimed at deterring insider abuse"
synonyms: penalty, punishment, deterrent; More
punitive action, discipline, restriction; embargo, ban, prohibition, boycott
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's trying to play "match-y, match-y" with Obama. Our politicians are less likely to have any substantive investments in Russia.
OTOH, Putin's political pals...and his rich buddies, DO have investments in USA; stocks, bonds, real estate, luxury apartments, all sorts of "stuff."
Sunlei
(22,651 posts),your bank is 'closed', your summer in Colorado is gone and you don't want to get on Putins 'bad side'..
MADem
(135,425 posts).....They'll always have....
Sochi...?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)dreamstst
(53 posts)They deserve only praise, not censure!
uppityperson
(115,674 posts)Robert Menendez is a Dem but "good"?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)He's a weird man to have as 'Leader' of a country. Strange list!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Republicans before you make any more embarrassing posts.
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Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)That's gonna be pretty hard to explain away later, during election time.
smitty
(584 posts)answered by Putin's weak and meaningless sanctions.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)The rating agency affirmed Russia's BBB foreign currency rating.
"The outlook revision reflects our view of the material and unanticipated economic and financial consequences that EU and U.S. sanctions could have on Russia's creditworthiness following Russia's incorporation of Crimea, which the international community currently considers legally to be a part of Ukraine," S&P said in a statement.
MADem
(135,425 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)That reminds me of a famous DUer who asked Skinner to tombstone him, right effing now!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2507034
Pootie's Lawmakers to Obama: Since you can't take us invading neighboring nations, Obama, sanction us right the fuck now!!!!
Obama: OK.
I'd love to see POTUS pull a Skinner on the Pootiepal brigade!!!