Donald Rumsfeld: 'A Trained Ape' Would Be Better At Foreign Policy Than Obama
Source: The Huffington Post
Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld slammed President Barack Obama on Monday, saying "a trained ape" would have better foreign policy skills.
During an appearance on Fox News' "On the Record with Greta van Susteren," Rumsfeld criticized the White House for not securing a status of forces agreement with Afghanistan.
We have status of forces agreements probably with 100, 125 countries in the world," Rumsfeld said. "This administration, the White House, and the State Department, have failed to get a status of forces agreement. A trained ape could get a status of forces agreement. It doesnt take a genius.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/donald-rumsfeld-trained-ape_n_5027750.html
Stay classy, Rumsfeld........
This guy and Cheney are absolutely evil.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Has that even ever happened before?
Beacool
(30,247 posts)What was he thinking??????
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)LeftinOH
(5,353 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)sakabatou
(42,136 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)that was a very well-trained ape;
and Rumsfeld's a good authority on this.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)True, he never taught him to speak intelligibly or walk through doors unassisted, but he had swaggering and macho posturing down to an art.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)red dog 1
(27,767 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,598 posts)You worked for him. Barry is just cleaning up Chimpy's messes.
"Mister Rumsfeld! Mister Rumsfeld! I have a warrant for your arrest!"
Wolf
Beacool
(30,247 posts)He must have forgotten who he worked for.......
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)...........just for the sake of accuracy
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Obviously they are not very good at training apes.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Bush did their bidding.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Botany
(70,447 posts)be in jail for war crimes rather then on TV giving your 2 cents about what should be
done in the world.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Bush may be an idiot, but these two are evil men.
Botany
(70,447 posts).... of 2001 but then Don Rumsfeld gave a "stand down" order so Afghanistan
forces could capture him and other top al Qaeda leaders but that allowed bin Laden
to bribe his way out and to escape into Pakistan. This also allowed Rummy and Cheney
to sell the need for our war in Iraq too because we still had a "boogie man" out there.
Every time I see rummy or cheney or condi or kristol or wolfiwitz or anyone of those
other blood soaked bastards I think of a former neighbor's son who is dying or has
already died of brain cancer he got in Iraq as his unit was assigned to towns that
had KBR "burn pits" for God only knows what. He is just one of many that got
brain cancers from being in Iraq.
If we really had justice these assholes need to be in maximum security jail cells
for the rest of their lives.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Botany
(70,447 posts)...... google Rumsfeld Tora Bora stand down order. (BTW any trolls please do the same)
You see if bin Laden was dead then Rummy and Cheney would not have been able to sell
their Iraq war to the American people as something we had to do to keep us safe from
terror. Remember when W did his "Mission Accomplished" show on the aircraft carrier
he said that terrorists now no longer have a place from which to attack America from
(rough quote) even though he knew that Iraq had nothing to do w/ 9-11.
Rummy needs to be a super max prison for the rest of his life for the way he lied us into
the Iraqi war after 9-11.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Thanks again. Disgusting people, so many dead and all for what?
Botany
(70,447 posts)red dog 1
(27,767 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:09 PM - Edit history (1)
The first item is:
TORA BORA REVISITED: HOW WE FAILED TO GET BIN LADEN AND WHY IT MATTERS TODAY
"A Report to Members of the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate"
(I was unable to find a working link to this Govt. Printing Office Senate Report)
dotymed
(5,610 posts)Honestly, this "man" and those of that administration, all deserve to be imprisoned, at least by the Hague.
Obama "waves off" all prosecutions (how can you look forward if you don't learn from the past?) and this fellow elitist
is on tee vee taunting Obama policies.
This is at least Kabuki theater (like wresslin) for appearance sake..."we all disagree and hate each other", IMO, realistically IF Obama had not prosecuted rummy because he wanted what (he thought) was best for America, Rummy would "go quietly into the night", less Obama change his mind.
Americans are so propagandized and corrupt that it is hard to know truth from fiction.
Botany
(70,447 posts).... they still are linked to real power and wealth* and the blow back would be so
hot that he could not get done what he wanted to get done. (even though large
sections of what he has wanted to do have been blocked by republicans in Congress)
* God only knows how many billions if not trillions they skimmed off the top
from their Iraq war scams.
dotymed
(5,610 posts)in your assumptions than I am.
red dog 1
(27,767 posts)..from their Iraq war scams."
"Why Doesn't Anyone Ask Rumsfeld Where the $2.3 TRILLION Went?"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/02/1175717/-Why'doesn-t-anyone-ask-Rumsfeld-where-the-2.3-TRILLION-went/
Botany
(70,447 posts)..... and then it all went missing?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)But debate only between two carefully selected viewpoints.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)but it's more like sour grapes because the boss gave the job you wanted to someone else, and he's doing it mostly the same way you would, which is even more aggravating.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)or will be, when you're thrown in jail
newfie11
(8,159 posts)This is unbelievable AND to refer to the President of the United States in that manner is Unfreaking Believable!
Beacool
(30,247 posts)that Rumsfeld didn't mean anything and he wasn't referring to the president as an ape. They got no shame.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)itcfish
(1,828 posts)Lied to us for 8 years. 4000 soldier died, countless maimed and who knows how many Iraqis killed and this idiot has the nerve to call our President any kind of name???
Beacool
(30,247 posts)itcfish
(1,828 posts)had stated that over 1 million Iraqis died, since the US invasion and occupation.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Poor people.
xocet
(3,871 posts)is not even remotely over:
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://icasualties.org/
Household survey records deaths from all war-related causes, 2003 to 2011.
By Dan Vergano
National Geographic
Published October 15, 2013
...
On March 19, 2003, a U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq, beginning a ground war that culminated in the rapid capture of Baghdad and overthrow of the regime led by Saddam Hussein. A coalition-led occupation of Iraq lasted until 2011, marked by repeated bombings, an al Qaeda-linked insurgency, militia warfare, and other bloodshed in the nation of 32.6 million people.
In the new PLOS Medicine journal survey, led by public health expert Amy Hagopian of the University of Washington in Seattle, an international research team polled heads of households and siblings across Iraq. The researchers, including some from the Iraqi Ministry of Health, aimed to update and improve past estimates of the human costs of the war and occupation.
"We think it is roughly around half a million people dead. And that is likely a low estimate," says Hagopian. "People need to know the cost in human lives of the decision to go to war."
The survey responses point to around 405,000 deaths attributable to the war and occupation in Iraq from 2003 to 2011. At least another 56,000 deaths should be added to that total from households forced to flee Iraq, the study authors estimate. More than 60 percent of the excess deaths of men, women, and children reported from 2003 to 2011 were the direct result of shootings, bombings, airstrikes, or other violence, according to the study. The rest came indirectly, from stress-related heart attacks or ruined sanitation and hospitals.
...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/
There was another earlier study that places the death toll much higher - it has proven to be controversial. The analysis of that is here:
ORB's "million Iraqi deaths" survey seriously flawed, new study shows
1 ILCS P.54 (UNDP), IFHS (WHO)
There have been several survey-based attempts to roughly estimate the number of Iraqis killed as a result of the 2003 invasion and subsequent conflict. It is unfortunate that the most careful and well-resourced survey work in this area (from the UNDP and WHO)1 has been scarcely visible, while the most flawed and inadequate work has dominated public discourse. This has been largely due to the shocking (but ultimately numbing) effect of their hugely exaggerated death toll figures.
2 Reality checks: some responses to the latest Lancet estimates
3 Ethical and Data-integrity problems in the second Lancet survey of mortality in Iraq
Iraq Body Count (IBC) applied an early and so far unanswered set of reality checks2 to the Johns Hopkins survey published in the Lancet in October 2006, a paper which has recently been comprehensively discredited in a new study3 by Prof. Michael Spagat of Royal Holloway University. Even among the generally inexact survey results for deaths in Iraq the "Lancet estimate" was an extreme outlier, asserting 450,000 more deaths from violence than the much larger WHO-funded study that estimated 151,000 such deaths by July 2006. The only evidence that appeared to support the Lancet finding was published by a polling company, Opinion Research Business (ORB), which estimated 1 million violent Iraqi deaths by August 2007.
4 Conflict Deaths in Iraq: A Methodological Critique of the ORB Survey Estimate
In a meticulous and detailed analysis4 of ORB's survey, IBC researcher Josh Dougherty and Spagat have laid to rest any notion that ORB's massive estimate is even nominally sound, let alone capable of providing validation for another outlier. The press release to their study, published in Survey Research Methods (Vol. 4, No. 1, 2010) is reproduced below.
...
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/exaggerated-orb/
There is a lot of data there. Whatever the actual number is, it is very large, and one should remember that even 1 is an unacceptably large toll.
Bush et al. should be prosecuted for their crimes.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Bush jumped the gun, urged by evil Cheney and others, to invade Iraq. Yes, he should be prosecuted for war crimes, but it'll never happen.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)"On May 10, 2006, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) indicated she was not interested in pursuing impeachment and had taken it "off the table", reiterating this phrase on November 8, 2006"
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)You need a two-thirds vote to impeach. The Dems knew they didn't have that, so they took it off the table and waited until Dubya left office. There was nothing to stop Obama from pursuing war crimes charges for the Bush administration once they left office.
I voted for Obama twice and would do so again, but I will always harbor a grudge against him for letting those evil warmongers get away with it.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I guess that he thought it was time to move on and deal with the disastrous economic picture that we had in 2009. I don't know........
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)two disastrous wars, a raping of the constitution, a near economic collapse, there is no just moving on from that. We need some justice. And Obama denied us that.
bpj62
(999 posts)I know this Donald Rumsfeld is a complete and total asshat. What amazes me is the far rights obsession with destroying Obamas legacy. They will stop at nothing in their attempts to rewrite history. By the way Rummy it was your administration that put that clown Karzi in control of Afghanistan and he is the reason why we cannot get a Status of Force Agreement so maybe you are the trained monkey. I am not a conspiracy theorist but I have wondered why in 8 years the Bush administration got no closer to Bin Laden then Tora Bora but it only to the Obama Administration 2 years to find and kill Bin Laden. Just a thought.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)He has worked with GW Bush who was sort of like a trained ape.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)thinks and actually expresses him self when he's with his peers.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)War CRIMINAL!
I assume that FuksNews will run this over and over and over.....
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)coming from someone who worked for G.W. Bush is amusing. The last president actually referred to publicly as an ape was Abraham Lincoln. As then, such a slur says more about the President's detractors than it does the President.
Glorfindel
(9,719 posts)Why anyone would exhibit him on television or listen to anything he utters is beyond my comprehension.
RayStar
(417 posts)this woman greta was an attorney of good standing once. Now look at her drooling over nonsense talker sarah palin and now entertaining rummy who would be arrested if he crossed the big pond. I dare him & cheney to go merrily to Europe holding hands! They can drag gap tooth conda with them.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)warrant46
(2,205 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)to do with it. For instance, Mitch McConnell"s turtle like appearance has provoked many joking remarks. I might despise him, but I feel, again, that liberals should take the higher ground. Jokes about anyone's appearance are very junior high.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Rice is a Conspirator to the Deliberate and Unjustified Murder of Innocent Children (that Better ?)
Ino
(3,366 posts)The guy's resemblance to a turtle, or a tortoise for that matter, should not be a topic of discussion. Just because his philtrum, mouth and receding chin resemble a turtle's beak should not make him an object of ridicule.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)"In Baghdad, Tikrit and the areas north, south, east and west, somewhat"
STFU asshole.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Het, Donny. Remember when you were going on and on about "known knowns and unknown knowns"? Well, MOST people were very much aware that one KNOWN known is that you are a raving IDIOT. Go tell the chimp you worked for a few "known unknowns"
ck4829
(35,038 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)stuartsdesk1
(85 posts)....to the UNTRAINED APES who were in charge from 2002 to 2008.
Those would include "Dubbya", Cheney, Rummy.
Condy and the Defense Policy Advisory Board Committee
(you know: Wolfowitz, Kissinger, the Kagans, Perle, Adelman,
Gingrich, Quayle..........)
Oh, sorry, there were some monkeys involved back then, too.
Rummy should be hiding his face in shame for what he did.
Now he's pretending it's all an"unknown unknown".
Sorry Rummy - it's a "known known".
catbyte
(34,333 posts)Evil POS.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)that "trained ape" is better at foreign policy than pond scum was...
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)red dog 1
(27,767 posts)santamargarita
(3,170 posts)a trained ape would have to be Rumskull!
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Rumsfeld is one of the dumbest human beings to ever hold office. Rumsfeld and Cheney lied about Iraq and yet expect people to listen to their amusing but ignorant positions
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I think that he and Cheney are just very nasty men, that's why I called them evil. They are smart enough to know better.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)What a loathsome asshole.
mitty14u2
(1,015 posts)On October 26, 2007, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) along with the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH), the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR), and the French League for Human Rights, filed a complaint with the Paris Prosecutor charging former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld with ordering and authorizing torture.
Rumsfeld was in Paris for a talk sponsored by Foreign Policy magazine, and after he learned of the complaint, left through a door connecting to the U.S. embassy to avoid journalists and human rights attorneys outside.
The criminal complaint states that because of the failure of authorities in the United States and Iraq to launch any independent investigation into the responsibility of Rumsfeld and other high-level U.S. officials for torture despite a documented paper trail and government memos implicating them in direct as well as command responsibility for torture and because the U.S. has refused to join the International Criminal Court it is the legal obligation of states such as France to take up the case.
In this case, charges are brought under the 1984 Convention Against Torture (CAT), ratified by both the United States and France and using the concept of universal jurisdiction.
http://ccrjustice.org/ourcases/current-cases/french-war-crimes-complaint-against-donald-rumsfeld,-et-al.
TeamPooka
(24,205 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)used to call Bush ' der monkey furer'.
Kingofalldems
(38,421 posts)Scairp
(2,749 posts)From the feces-thrower of all time.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)underpants
(182,603 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)The current problems in Afghanistan have your fingerprints all over them.
underpants
(182,603 posts)And the other 60% if the discussion will be playing victim to "they are playing the race card!!!"
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)and cause so much misery and suffering through their policies are the last people anyone wants to hear from
What a piece of garbage
arcane1
(38,613 posts)He got one for Iraq, so what was the problem with Afghanistan?
doc03
(35,295 posts)got us in two wars. Fuck you Rummy!
Blue Owl
(50,256 posts)question everything
(47,431 posts)Skittles
(153,111 posts)ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)geretogo
(1,281 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:59 PM - Edit history (1)
sakabatou
(42,136 posts)tanyev
(42,515 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)seriously needs to go fuck himself.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Poor old Rummy, he meant to say that an untrained ape with paranoid delusions and severe brain damage would be better at Foreign Policy than Donald Rumsfeld ever was.
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Well, he would certainly know what it's like to work for a trained ape, wouldn't he?
Beacool
(30,247 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)with corrupt Karzai in power. Rummy supports Karzai until one of them dies first. Karzai knows where the bodies are buried so Rummy defends him to the last.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Ferretherder
(1,445 posts)...you know, eat shit and die......please.........please, please, please.
I promise I'll let the vultures pick your bones clean before I piss on your corpse. Really!
Shithead.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Willhe give me back the life of a boy I saw grow up but died in Iraq at 25 - he might remember Iraq, that is where they moved their soldier to instead of finishing the war correctly in Afghanistan.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Don't let evil guys like Rumsfeld get to you. They don't deserve a minute of your time.
Kild the Radio Star
(30 posts)Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie: Firing squads for all !
mokawanis
(4,435 posts)Too angry to type what I'm thinking, so I'll tone it down a little and just say - Fuck you, Rumsfield, you worthless bag of shit.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)UpInArms
(51,280 posts)is an evil piece of shit who belongs behind bars for the remainder of his nasty existence.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I wish they would have stayed in the hole they slithered into after Bush's term was over.
Maybe this appearance will remind people what an absolute dick Rumsfeld was/is.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)pragmatic_dem
(410 posts)has the blood of 100s of thousands of dead on his hands, plus the boy-wonder virtually handed Iraq to Iran on a silver platter.
He should be should deported to Iraq and forced to live in the neo-con Disneyland he conspired to create.
Seriously one of the most cynical and evil men to have walked the planet.
Evil drilled deep into the heart of our nation during the Reagan and Bush years, men like Rumsfeld would be just as happy in the Stasi or KGB or Saddam's Red Guard, anyplace where abusive men addicted to wealth and power live outside the law.
Rumsfeld shakes hands with Saddam
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Sickening........
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Hekate
(90,552 posts)Rummy is a vile piece of inhumanity, and given his own foreign policy record, he should just STFU.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)get off his lawn?
What a ghoul!
daybranch
(1,309 posts)They somehow believe no one other than other racists are looking on. Thank you Mr. Rumsfield. You are such a blessing to us Democrats!
daybranch
(1,309 posts)on a number of issues, I am so proud of his foreign policy acumen. The recent press conference in the Netherlands displayed his mastery of the subject and made me proud I voted and worked for him. I may often express reservations about his ties to Wall Street, the TPP etc., but he sure can do foreign policy right.
He is the steady hand at the wheel when it comes to navigating international relations safely and accomplishing your objectives.
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)This guy?
truth2power
(8,219 posts)and leave everybody else alone.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)Whistle Ass Smirking Chimps....
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Here's a little quiz for Donald Rumsfeld and other foreign policy "experts," like the Republican Party:
1) How many wars did President Obama lie about in order to start? And President G. W. Bush?
2) How many democratic nations were overthrown by despots and then given President Obama's full support? And President G. W. Bush?
3) How many rogue nations acquired nuclear weapons during President Obama's term? And President G. W. Bush?
4) How many heads of state were surprised, embarrassed, disgusted, or otherwise put off by President Obama's awkward and uninformed public comments and actions? And President G. W. Bush?
Answers for President Obama, 1)-4): None.
Answers for President Bush: 1) At least one, Iraq; 2) At least three, Venezuela, Principe/Sao Tome, and Haiti; 3) At least one, North Korea; 4) Too many to count, perhaps, "all of them" is the best answer.
Or to put it another way, who would the most evil and incompetent diplomat in modern history, Joachim von Ribbentrop, want to have a beer with?
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Obama's timidity to confront these evil scumbags and charge them was in my estimation a gross miscarriage. It has left a legacy that allows for the grosses of crimes to be committed by public officials and even honored as heroes by their fawning admirers. The whole affair is revolting.
Kablooie
(18,608 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)Exactly.
Also shows up in what Putin dared do.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)when he nails it like this.
This was a gift, I needed the kind of laugh I got which is the kind with a stitch in your side AND your gut.
Rumsfeld remains an embarrassment. Right along with the other asshats.
Mira
(22,380 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Cheney Watch
http://www.cheneywatch.org
samsingh
(17,590 posts)rwsanders
(2,594 posts)karend62
(29 posts)He was talking about an agreement between the U.S. and Afghanistan for troops to remain in that country after the withdrawal later this year. At the risk of incurring wrath of my fellow forum members (don't hate on me!), I agree that it would be a bad thing to allow Afghanistan to go back to Taliban.
Not that Rumsfeld has ANY credibility on this issue.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)But he and Cheney are always so disdainful of Obama, Hillary and other Democrats. Considering the cluster f*ck they created and the number of people who died thanks to their invasions, where do they get the gumption to criticize this administration?
Although, I do agree that it wouldn't be a good thing if Afghanistan went back to Taliban rule.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)Obama is/was so stupid or naive not to know this wouldn't come back to bite him in the ass.
Armature = Obama
This did not and does not portend well for the US...but who of us didn't know this by the end of Obama's first term.
Might as well just get it over with. We're toast & just didn't want to realize it 3 years ago.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)I must have been dreaming that he died in ignominiously in discredited shame. I was hoping we were in a universe that has some justice. I don't even dream were in a just one where Rumsfeld serves the rest of his life in prison.
Honestly, the very fact that Fox would go near someone as toxic as Rumsfeld says something.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)When his time comes, someone will have to drive a stake through his donor's heart to make sure he stays down.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)then that would make you an organ grinder.
louis-t
(23,267 posts)take over a country of 25 million with 30,000 troops.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)red dog 1
(27,767 posts)A trained ape wouldn't have allowed Bin Laden & his senior staff to all escape the way Rummy did when they were surrounded by Coalition troops at Tora Bora.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Rumsfeld and Cheney are despicable people.
Qutzupalotl
(14,286 posts) said a wholly incompetent SecDef once upon a time. Whose current protestations cannot erase the blood on his hands.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)for "freeing" them from Saddam. The only thing I recall being thrown at our troops were IEDs.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Homer Wells
(1,576 posts)and given his record as a foreign policy "expert" that would make him an
'untrained' ape
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)his own failures.
Although it is called as usual a resignation.
*edit: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/rumsfeld/index.html
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I think that he was fed up with Cheney too, but he couldn't get rid of him.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)he makes an even bigger ass of himself? You know the difference between the war criminal Rumsfeld and the war criminal Kissinger? Kissinger would never say anything as stupid as that on Fox. Rummie is a Kissinger wannabe---which is pretty pathetic.