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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:01 PM May 2014

Louisiana Gives Up Fight To Stop Anti-Jindal, Pro-Obamacare Billboard

Source: TalkingPointsMemo.com

Louisiana has dropped its lawsuit against the liberal group MoveOn.org, which had aimed to remove the group's billboard that was critical of Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) for not expanding Medicaid under Obamacare.

MoveOn announced Tuesday that the lawsuit had been dropped and that it would keep the billboard up through at least November.

“This billboard in Louisiana will be a constant reminder to Gov. Jindal and Republican officials in the state that we are not backing down until they stop blocking Medicaid," Anna Galland, who heads the group's civic action division, said in a statement.

Lt. Gov. Jay Dardenne (R) had pursued the lawsuit on the state's behalf, arguing that the billboard's text -- a parody of a state tourism slogan -- infringed on its trademark.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/moveon-louisiana-billboard-lawsuit-dropped



From the had pursued link ...

The sign states: "LOU!SIANA Pick your passion! But hope you don't love your health. Gov. Jindal's denying Medicaid to 242,000 people."

Dardenne alleged that the sign was confusing because "Pick Your Passion" is one of Louisiana's official tourism slogans and it is registered as a trade service by the state.
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azureblue

(2,145 posts)
3. and that means Move On
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:24 PM
May 2014

can make the state pay for its lawyers. Too bad MO can't make Bobby pay out of his own pocket.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
9. Why would MoveOn be able to get its attorneys' fees?
Tue May 13, 2014, 03:42 PM
May 2014

The general rule in American litigation is that each party bears its own legal costs. Even if you win, you aren't routinely granted attorneys' fees.

Louisiana, because of its heritage from French law rather than English law, has some differences from the 49 other states. Is this one of them? Is there a specific Louisiana statute or practice that makes it an exception to the general rule?

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
11. I thought if it could be proven the costs were incurred
Thu May 15, 2014, 08:15 AM
May 2014

because the litigation was completely frivolous and vindictive the plaintiff could be on the hook. e.g. SLAPP suits

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
13. Yes, if it's frivolous, but that's a tough standard to meet
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:33 AM
May 2014

The vast majority of unsuccessful arguments are nevertheless not held to be frivolous.

MoveOn was oversimplifying by giving the impression that the only issue in the case was whether the First Amendment protects criticism of public officials. The fact is that Louisiana does have a registered service mark. A billboard is speech within the First Amendment, but the First Amendment doesn't protect improper use of someone else's registered service mark.

Thus, the issue was whether MoveOn's use of Louisiana's mark constituted an infringement. My gut reaction (without being familiar with the law in this area) is that there's enough of a basis for the State's position that, even if it had ultimately failed, it wouldn't be held frivolous.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
16. Copyright law
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:45 PM
May 2014

is a loser pays carve out of the general rule. So is constitutional law when facing a government entity. Moveon can collect on either cause of action.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. I don't think those apply
Fri May 16, 2014, 12:41 AM
May 2014

As I read the news report, this is not a copyright issue, but trademark/service mark -- like copyright, a form of intellectual property, but not the same. Is there a special attorneys' fees rule for service mark litigation?

I'm not aware of any general principle that says a successful constitutional claim against a government entity entitles one to attorneys' fees. You may be thinking of section 1983 actions, brought for deprivation of civil rights by someone acting under color of law, but this case would not qualify as a 1983 action. There's also the Equal Access to Justice Act, for cases that, like this one, are in federal court, but it provides only for an award of fees against the federal government, and then only when the government's position was not "substantially justified."

OTOH, MoveOn was fundraising off this idiotic move by Jindal, and so probably came out ahead financially even without a fee award.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
19. I'm not sure
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:25 AM
May 2014

why a section 1983 request would be invalid -- the district court found that issuing an injunction would violate moveon.org's civil rights and that the filing of the lawsuit was an attempt to suppress political speech.

I agree upon further review that the the copyright issues wouldn't apply.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
20. You don't have a 1983 action unless your rights are violated.
Fri May 16, 2014, 12:34 PM
May 2014

Bringing a lawsuit that seeks, unsuccessfully, to take down your billboard doesn't actually take down your billboard.

You say there was a finding "that the filing of the lawsuit was an attempt to suppress political speech." Well, an attempt to suppress political speech is not by itself a violation of rights, if the speech runs afoul of some other rule (trademark, copyright, defamation, non-disclosure agreement, etc.). If there was a finding that the state's position was not merely wrong, but utterly indefensible, and so had no colorable basis but was purely an attempt to suppress speech, then you wouldn't need to get into 1983; such a frivolous suit would be a Rule 11 violation and the opposing party would be entitled to attorneys' fees on that basis.

I did some extremely minimal research and found cases in which fees are awarded to a prevailing plaintiff in a trademark case, along with the infringer's profits (because obviously almost all such cases involve businesses selling phony Coach handbags or the like). I don't know if the statute authorizing such awards would apply to a prevailing defendant.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
5. These billboards SHOULD be blanketing every state that refused the FREE Medicaid Expansion.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:56 PM
May 2014
[font size=4]When RICH people get sick,
they go to the doctor.
You could too,
if you had a Democratic Governor.
How many will die?
[/font]

LuvNewcastle

(16,838 posts)
7. Agreed.
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:30 PM
May 2014

They should be all over the place. One would think that the Democratic Party in all those states would be putting them up. There are many reasons why red states are red, and it isn't all the fault of the GOP and Fox News. In too many states, like mine, the Democrats are nearly indistinguishable from the Republicans, so the people never really hear an opposing viewpoint. You can't win if you don't try.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
6. Funny, No Repukes Screaming About The Huge Billboards Here In
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:08 PM
May 2014

Florida! I've seen them everywhere in many smaller communities. Says something like "Don't Let Obamacare Kill You!" Not sure of exact wording, but when I go up around Inverness/Ocala area I've seen quite a few!

Nasty stuff!

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
8. CUE THE VONAGE THEME, you all!
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:47 PM
May 2014

Now can pick your passion in Louisiana as long as being poor and sick isn't one of them!


rocktivity

mdm646

(19 posts)
10. More help??
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:55 AM
May 2014

Now if MoveOn would just help us remove Jindal we would appreciate it. What an embarrassment to the state.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
14. republicans will go their local ban against billboards, as Rs control all local zoning &neighborhood
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:41 AM
May 2014

as Rs control most all local zoning & neighborhood associations.

Wish we could get neighborhood associations 'over-regulation' and local zoning 'over regulation', vs personal freedoms in front of the Supreme Courts.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
17. Easiest way to avoid the neighborhood association police state...
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:55 PM
May 2014

Don't live in a neighborhood with one.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
15. Good. Moveon has First Amendment rights despite not being a "natural person".
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:42 AM
May 2014

This case should cause pause for thought in those who supporting amending the Constitution to reserve its protections to "natural persons".

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