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Omaha Steve

(99,487 posts)
Tue May 13, 2014, 06:28 PM May 2014

Musicians Deliver More Than 12,000 Petition Signatures to Lionsgate Films Urging Them to Stop...

Source: AFL-CIO News blog

Jackie Tortora

Shipping quality U.S. jobs overseas has been an issue affecting all workers and musicians and members of the American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada (AFM) are fighting back.

Today in Santa Monica at Lionsgate Films headquarters a group of musicians dropped off a petition with more than 12,000 signatures urging the production company, which benefits from taxpayer-funded film credits, to uphold industry standards and score their films in the United States ensuring American musicians are recording the music that makes movies come alive.

Los Angeles County Federation of Labor Secretary-Treasurer María Elena Durazo joined the musicians to drop off the petitions at Lionsgate.

In April, musicians launched the Listen Up! campaign nationwide and have made multiple attempts to engage Lionsgate in a dialogue about the negative impact that offshoring film-scoring work has on working musicians as well as local communities. Through an online campaign, AFM has gathered signatures from thousands of supporters and are confident that the show of widespread support will motivate Lionsgate to speak with musicians.

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Musicians Deliver More Than 12,000 Petition Signatures to Lionsgate Films Urging Them to Stop... (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2014 OP
I'm a professional musician, charlives May 2014 #1
K & R nt okaawhatever May 2014 #2
k & r n/t justhanginon May 2014 #3
The real thing: American movies with American music produced by American musicians JDPriestly May 2014 #4
Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #5
Sorry, Steve, folks, but this sounds like nationalism gone way over the top, Ghost Dog May 2014 #6
Say anything you want, it is the DU way Omaha Steve May 2014 #7
Thanks, Steve. Ghost Dog May 2014 #10
I don't have anything against using foreign talent but... Perseus May 2014 #8
Yeah, I understand this completely, Perseus, Ghost Dog May 2014 #9
Yeah, good luck with that. Xithras May 2014 #11

charlives

(34 posts)
1. I'm a professional musician,
Tue May 13, 2014, 07:28 PM
May 2014

but if you want these companies to hire people that live within the boundaries of the US then urge the politicians to enact laws.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. The real thing: American movies with American music produced by American musicians
Tue May 13, 2014, 08:03 PM
May 2014

paid American wages in America. Good combination. It's called patriotism.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
6. Sorry, Steve, folks, but this sounds like nationalism gone way over the top,
Tue May 13, 2014, 08:07 PM
May 2014

not normal union activity.

For example, I'm working here in Spain with a very talented Spanish composer/musician who would very much like to get into the (international) film-scoring business. AFM says he should not be allowed to, based on nationality/country of residence. WTF?

In that case all sorts of barriers ought to be raised by all other countries in the world to prevent US/Canadian cinematic (& TV etc, I suppose?) products being sold in their markets, thus fostering non-US/Canadian production and providing work opportunities for non-US/Canadian artists - not a bad idea, come to think of it, what with all the 'Americanisation' screwing with minds and work opporunities in so many non-American world cultures.

If you don't mind me saying so.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
10. Thanks, Steve.
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:59 AM
May 2014

No, and I will take it up with him again. http://spme.es/

But, hell, especially in current economic circumstances, you do know that the 'under-the-table', 'grey' economy represents at least 25% of the entire Spanish economy, don't you? (which, btw, means that the real Spanish economy is at least 25% larger than 'official' numbers would suggest).

... In the UK, on the other hand, last I heard it is not at all easy to work professionally without being a member of the Musicians' Union. http://www.musiciansunion.org.uk/

Peace

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
8. I don't have anything against using foreign talent but...
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:33 PM
May 2014

the right thing, the patriotic thing is to look here at home first.

Lets be real, why do companies outsource? Is it because there is more talent outside of home? I don't think so, it is because the foreign talent charges less and it is all about the money, and I am not against making money, but when it is done for the sole purpose of enhancing the investors pockets then I do have a problem.

You see that in IT all the time, they bring "talent" from India, and many times this "talent" is not better than the one at home, but because it costs 60% less, then they bring it, or outsource it. I can tell you of a situation where the company I used to work for went for the outsourcing, they saved money but the work didn't get done right so the people that remained here in the USA had to do their work and fix the problems that were coming from the outsource place. Not only that, the people who make the real money in this outsourcing companies abroad are the people on top, the ones that do the work make very little money.

If your Spanish friend wants to compete, I am sure that no one would object if he shows he is better than the local talent, and if he charges the same as the local talent, that would be true competition.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
9. Yeah, I understand this completely, Perseus,
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:52 AM
May 2014

as a Brit ex-analyst/programmer software engineer, always freelance, always insecure. Dropped out back in the 'nineties, exiled myself in Spain and did more fun things while playing the markets since then (I was analysing/programming in the City of London, made a small pile before it was too late, and learned a thing or two about how those newly-computerised 'financial wizards', 'masters of the universe' think they work...).

But patriotism is a double-edged sword, often wielded by people blinded by their own jingoism. Me, I'd prefer to see global international democratic socialism, the more bottom-up the better, eliminate national entities and nationalism altogether, while encouraging, where sensible, much more localism. But then I'm a European...

Especially in the case of 'Hollywood' and other US-based (and/or UK-based, English-speaking) media industries, the product is not ever intended only or even mainly for the US market. The market is indeed international, so the production process should be too.

Weird, huh? I'm about to turn 60 this year and I'm still impossibly Utopian. Attempting to invest some of my relatively meager/meagre savings into doing something socially useful...

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
11. Yeah, good luck with that.
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:42 PM
May 2014

That plan worked so well for the factory workers, and the textile workers, and the electronics fabricators, and the software engineers.

Outsourcing won't stop until the laws stop it. And all parties in our current government seem hell-bent on making it even more common (TPP anyone?)

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