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You're strawmanning of my viewpoints is flattering. Honestly, it is. I mean, it's cute. Not accurate of my actual beliefs--not even close--but it sure is cute.
Cute like Yanukovych's dog that he took along with him back when he decided to pack up and leave on his own accord back in February 2014:
I mean, you did see the videos I posted right? Don't be shy. You can admit it.
Funny thing about those videos, how they don't really show someone who's being violently forced out of power as one would expect in a coup, but instead shows someone who takes three days to leisurely pack up his large oil painting collection and other assorted valuables and then helicopter off on his own fleet of choppers to Russia. In other words, not something one would expect in a coup.
But you go ahead and tell yourself that the Nuland phone call and the Yatsenyuk website are smoking gun, direct-and-to-the-point evidence that there was a western sponsored coup.
If you were a States Attorney, Jack, I sure would love to be a defense attorney in your jurisdiction.
He and his dog are gone, after all.
It's the bankster, Yatsenyuk, and his Nuland-picked cabinet who are
openly working for NATO, the State Department, and the CIA ("NED"
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stirring up ethnic hatred by abolishing Russian as a language of the state;
imposing the same EU austerity program that destroys Greek society;
allying with Nazis and putting them in charge of the security forces to murder protesters;
blaming their fellow citizens in the East for burning themselves to death;
dressing up attack helicopters in UN colors;
refusing to negotiate with the popular protests in the East, moving their country to civil war;
and making a mockery of the brief promise of the Maidan protests.
You'd think this unelected governor's disastrous regime and program would be of greater concern to you, if you cared what happens to the people in the Ukraine.
that everything bad that happens in the Ukraine is the result of action by ethno-Russians and the president of Russia. Even though the latter especially, no matter how evil, has no interest whatsoever in a civil war in Ukraine, or annexing territories that Russia was already exploiting but that as new Russian provinces would come with their own built-in, new, violent insurgency.
And at the same time, you push the coincidence theory that the obvious, announced involvements of NATO and the State Department and the CIA ("NED" , and even the FBI, do not matter and mean nothing. These involvements began long before the banker Yatsenyuk's group came to power. You'd like to trivialize the open public endorsement of the State Department for an extraconstitutional regime change (sounds like a coup!) as a matter of Nuland handing out those cookies you are obsessed with.
This is a consistently upheld double standard on behalf of a fantasy that there was a democratic, legitimate transition, or that the present government is not destroying the country by fomenting civil war, when it so evidently is. It dispenses with examination of what's actually going on and it's nonsense.
Perhaps Yanukovich fled in a cowardly fashion, or perhaps by fleeing (after clearing out some of his plunder) he averted (for that time) the bloodbath that your Nazi allies had already initiated. There are worse things he could have done than to sneak out in the middle of the night. He could have gone for the Tiananmen Square solution, would that have caused you to respect him more? I suppose you would have been more impressed with the small-time kleptocrat if he'd made some bellicose speech pitting the West against Russia in an ongoing war, like Yatsenyuk just did on May 9th. Standing tall for World War III! Why does this matter now?
You never address who is in charge now: the government chosen by State Department-CIA, NATO and EU, using disaster capitalism to impose austerity, being willing to incite ethnic civil war so as to maintain its power, working with Nazis, burning people for protesting, dressing up its attack helicopters in UN colors, and (as of May 9) talking up a war with Russia in which the West is supposedly standing tall alongside the Kiev regime.
As an American, my primary concern should be whether the American government takes a side in this conflict materially, gets involved with aid, money, arms, announcements, ultimata, and the risk of a World War, or else engages in negotiations and forces its Kiev wild-dog to back down.
So now that you have your precious answer to your Yanukovich at Night question, you will continue to avoid what the Kiev regime is and rationalize anything they do as the (ethno-)Russians' fault. More importantly, from a DU perspective, you will continue to contribute to the New Cold War propaganda and selling a disastrous imperialist involvement for the U.S.
U.S. out of Ukraine, assist in a negotiated, peaceful solution. Peace above all, because escalation is a potential global disaster. It's that simple.
