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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 05:04 PM Jul 2014

Father whose son died in hot car to face Georgia grand jury

Source: CNN.com

(CNN) -- Murder and child cruelty charges against a father whose son died after being left in a car will go to a grand jury after a Cobb County judge found probable cause for the charges Thursday.

Justin Ross Harris was denied bail.

He messaged six women, sending and receiving explicit texts -- some including nude images -- from work while his 22-month-old was dying in a hot car, a detective testified in the hearing.

Harris' attorney repeatedly objected to Cobb County, Georgia, police Detective Phil Stoddard's testimony regarding Harris sexting the women -- one of whom was 17 -- but the judge allowed it because it was a probable cause hearing.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/03/justice/georgia-hot-car-toddler-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Father whose son died in hot car to face Georgia grand jury (Original Post) erpowers Jul 2014 OP
I think the judge made the right call. Little Star Jul 2014 #1
I have been watching the live murder investigation broadcast RebelOne Jul 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Jul 2014 #3
the recording of the convo between mom and dad recorded hopemountain Jul 2014 #5
I thought I heard they had 2 policies that... Little Star Jul 2014 #6
i came up with 27k from the 2 hopemountain Jul 2014 #7
You are correct & I was wrong on the total amount.... Little Star Jul 2014 #9
what clinched it for me was hearing her tell him hopemountain Jul 2014 #14
these two NJCher Jul 2014 #16
yes, njcher - hopemountain Jul 2014 #19
The evidence is damning, for sure. Divernan Jul 2014 #4
Me thinks "his survival in prison" will be far shorter onecent Jul 2014 #21
... shenmue Jul 2014 #8
Evidence is damning. Good call. n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #10
Wow, that is messed up davidpdx Jul 2014 #11
Will all this evidence hold based on the SCOTUS decision from last week about cell phones? question everything Jul 2014 #12
The sexting is scandalous, but it's the prior computer search records that matter. Divernan Jul 2014 #13
They must have had a warrant because it... Little Star Jul 2014 #15
Here's a link to 18 search warrants Crabby Appleton Jul 2014 #18
He also went back to put something in his car during the day. Kablooie Jul 2014 #17
Other testimony catchnrelease Jul 2014 #20

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
2. I have been watching the live murder investigation broadcast
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jul 2014

from one of our local news stations in Atlanta. I am torn between the fact that he intentionally left the child in the hot car or whether he just forgot he was still in the car. But I am siding with the judge that there was probable cause and his denial of bond.

Response to RebelOne (Reply #2)

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
5. the recording of the convo between mom and dad recorded
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jul 2014

at the police station was damning in the least. wtf is wrong with people? $27,000 life insurance was worth it to them to kill him? disgusting. yes. they are both guilty of the murder of this little boy.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
7. i came up with 27k from the 2
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jul 2014

my ears heard 25k for one they purchased together and the other was 2k from one of their jobs.

perhaps i incorrectly heard the amounts - but the point is - this is one motive.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
9. You are correct & I was wrong on the total amount....
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jul 2014

The couple had $2,000 and $25,000 life insurance policies on their son, according to Stoddard, who also said Harris’ wife “was complaining about [her husband’s] purchasing, sporadic purchasing or overcharging credit cards.”
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/07/03/justin-ross-harris-cooper-toddler-hot-car-death-live-blog

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
14. what clinched it for me was hearing her tell him
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:52 AM
Jul 2014

that she hoped he hadn't told the cops too much - or something to this effect.

thank you for the link and follow up, little star.

NJCher

(35,653 posts)
16. these two
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jul 2014

seem to be a bit dim. I mean, who doesn't know your computer can be tracked? That's a pretty low threshold.

Every time I see a pic of this adorable little boy, I think about how many childless couples would have loved to have adopted him.

Why not just give the child up for adoption? If he was desperate to give up the child, family might have also come to the rescue.

Not to mention this fool appears to have had a pretty good job, but instead of doing his job, he is sexting on company time.

Life gave him so much and what did he do with it?

I have no sympathy for people like this.
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hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
19. yes, njcher -
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jul 2014

some folks do not read nor listen to the news. they seemed to have been particularly self focused. i wonder what her side of the story is beyond the phony staging and phony excuse of concern and fear of a worst case scenario in the event one or the other of them "forgot" connor in the car on a hot day.

i would call them 'dim-lits'. they were so selfish they could not think past their own egos and give him a live/future with those who would have loved to raise him as their son. they believed they could get away with it.

that precious boy deserved to be loved and cherished - not hideously murdered.

yup, i do believe i have judged them guilty before a trial even begins or charges are fully made.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
4. The evidence is damning, for sure.
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jul 2014
Among the details police have released is that Harris and his wife, Leanna, told them they conducted Internet searches on how hot a car needed to be to kill a child. Stoddard testified Thursday that Ross Harris had visited a Reddit page called "child-free" and read four articles. He also did an Internet search on how to survive in prison, Stoddard said.

Also, five days before Cooper died, Ross Harris twice viewed a sort of homemade public service announcement in which a veterinarian demonstrates on video the dangers of leaving someone or something inside a hot car.

Leanna Harris told police that she had recently seen a story on a state initiative aimed at reminding people not to leave children in cars and that it was a fear of hers, Stoddard said.

Ross Harris "stated that he recently researched, through the Internet, child deaths inside vehicles and what temperature it needs to be for that to occur," police said, adding that Harris told investigators "he was fearful that this could happen."

During questioning, Leanna Harris "made similar statements

onecent

(6,096 posts)
21. Me thinks "his survival in prison" will be far shorter
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jul 2014

than he now believes...and I hope his stay is VERY VERY PAINFUL. They didn't watch enough Crime shows on television...If what we are given from the media is true, I'd say these 2 don't have much time left in freedom land. May little Cooper rest in peace.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
11. Wow, that is messed up
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jul 2014

I heard someone else say yesterday that they thought he would be held without bail.

question everything

(47,468 posts)
12. Will all this evidence hold based on the SCOTUS decision from last week about cell phones?
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jul 2014

If the police did not get a warrant, and it probably did not, will this evidence, of sexting while the child was dying, be allowed in court?

Either way, this is horrible.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
13. The sexting is scandalous, but it's the prior computer search records that matter.
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jul 2014

Because they prove he had the means/knowledge (how to do it), along with motive & intent (the reference to "child-free" links). And throw in the life insurance toward motive.

Frankly, it seems the mother was in on this to a certain degree as well. Wouldn't be surprised if charges are not brought against her too.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
17. He also went back to put something in his car during the day.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jul 2014

And still left the baby in the car seat.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
20. Other testimony
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:57 AM
Jul 2014

There was also some testimony from the police investigator that indicated that the car seat, while rear facing, was too small for the size of the child, so his head would have been visible from the front or side.

And Harris got into the car at the end of the day and drove, with the windows up, for a bit before pulling over and getting out and yelling that this son was dead. Apparently officers at the scene said the smell that came out of the car at that point was so overwhelming they could hardly stand it. How did this guy not notice it as soon as he went to get into the car when he was leaving work?

This whole thing is so sickening.

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