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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 06:06 AM Jul 2014

Japan’s Fukushima plant faces danger of overheating

Source: Press TV

The operator of Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant reportedly has only nine days to repair one of its reactors to prevent dangerous overheating.

Reports say the technicians of Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) switched off the cooling system at the fifth reactor unit of the plant on Sunday following a water leak there. An investigation by engineers showed 1,300 liters of water leaked from a cooling system.

“The source of the leak was a 3 mm-diameter hole near a flow valve,” a TEPCO statement said.

If the system is not repaired in nine days, temperatures will exceed the dangerous threshold of 65 degrees. Such a temperature would increase the possibility of dangerous reactions and further radiation leaks in the plant.

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Read more: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/07/370209/fukushima-plant-faces-overheating-danger/

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Japan’s Fukushima plant faces danger of overheating (Original Post) bananas Jul 2014 OP
Fukushima has 9 days to prevent 'unsafe' overheating bananas Jul 2014 #1
Fukushima Daiichi: Cooling stopped at reactor #5 SFP bananas Jul 2014 #2
Crickets. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster unhappycamper Jul 2014 #6
Nuke GE littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #7
...and then kill them - could just fit under that logo. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2014 #10
Not to worry... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #17
The typhoon will probably just be a rainstorm Art_from_Ark Jul 2014 #20
What? Haven't you read the news? FBaggins Jul 2014 #21
not to worry about a hurricane bearing down on 3 nuke plants, according to your puppetmasters wordpix Jul 2014 #23
The great thing about reality... FBaggins Jul 2014 #26
Fukushima is not shutdown, tho RobertEarl Jul 2014 #27
One had to wonder when you would show up with the free entertainment. FBaggins Jul 2014 #28
The place blew up days later. RobertEarl Jul 2014 #30
So? That was long after they shut down. FBaggins Jul 2014 #31
I'd laugh, but... RobertEarl Jul 2014 #41
If "It" was "shutdown within seconds of the earthquake," why all the meltdowns? Octafish Jul 2014 #33
Same answer that RobertEarl got... FBaggins Jul 2014 #34
Nice answer. Not to what I asked, though. Octafish Jul 2014 #35
Actually... it's exactly what you asked. FBaggins Jul 2014 #36
Fission was not stopped. Octafish Jul 2014 #37
That's nonsensical. FBaggins Jul 2014 #38
You're saying that the nuclear reactions stopped. But, they didn't. Octafish Jul 2014 #46
That's correct - I'm saying that nuclear reactions stopped FBaggins Jul 2014 #49
Do you get extra credit for getting in the last word? Octafish Jul 2014 #55
They don't know where the cores are RobertEarl Jul 2014 #56
Nope... just for getting it right. You should try it some time. FBaggins Jul 2014 #58
So, rather than make a point with facts, you denigrate me. Octafish Jul 2014 #61
Octafish, you just don't grok FB, do you? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #59
Thanks for the explanation. Octafish Jul 2014 #62
A Japanese typhoon is not really like an East Coast hurricane Art_from_Ark Jul 2014 #60
And if it's not cooled down? sakabatou Jul 2014 #4
Not a blessed thing. FBaggins Jul 2014 #11
geesh, according to you this is not a problem wordpix Jul 2014 #13
That's only because... it isn't a problem. FBaggins Jul 2014 #14
OMG NeoNerd Jul 2014 #5
Please tell me that littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #8
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2014 #9
Hilarious that anyone thinks this qualifies as "breaking news" FBaggins Jul 2014 #12
So this month's check cleared then, eh? truebrit71 Jul 2014 #16
Yup, there we go. closeupready Jul 2014 #18
LOL flamingdem Jul 2014 #19
88% of the spent fuel now out of unit #4 FBaggins Jul 2014 #22
uh, and now that the radioactive "assembly" pools are exceeding capacity, then what? wordpix Jul 2014 #24
Sorry... you're not living in the real world. FBaggins Jul 2014 #25
Your personal attacks are tiresome, FB RobertEarl Jul 2014 #29
You're really not in a position to claim injury at so-called "personal attacks" RE FBaggins Jul 2014 #32
In denial of common physics even, FB? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #39
One of us is in denial of common physics... the other one majored in the subject FBaggins Jul 2014 #40
You are in total denial RobertEarl Jul 2014 #42
Feel free to put me on ignore. FBaggins Jul 2014 #43
You are having fun? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #45
Loads and loads. FBaggins Jul 2014 #47
No. baggins, Nukes are the bad guys. RobertEarl Jul 2014 #48
More nonsense. Sorry. FBaggins Jul 2014 #50
You survived an alert, somehow RobertEarl Jul 2014 #51
Somehow? FBaggins Jul 2014 #53
Bwahahaha .. RobertEarl Jul 2014 #57
I'm not a host for life, which hosts are you referring to? CreekDog Jul 2014 #52
The ones who are out to get him of course. FBaggins Jul 2014 #54
Global Journalist Radio: Fukushima - three years later dougolat Jul 2014 #15
Aw... too bad. It looks like the end of the world will have to be put on hold. FBaggins Jul 2014 #44

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. Fukushima has 9 days to prevent 'unsafe' overheating
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 06:11 AM
Jul 2014
http://rt.com/news/170800-fukushima-water-leak-temperatures/

Fukushima has 9 days to prevent ‘unsafe’ overheating
Published time: July 06, 2014 21:58

Fukushima operator TEPCO has been forced to switch off the cooling system at mothballed Reactor Unit 5, after it was discovered that it had been leaking water. In nine days, if the system is not repaired, temperatures will exceed dangerous levels.

Engineers have discovered that 1,300 liters of water leaked from a cooling system intended to stabilize the temperature of the spent fuel at the Reactor Unit 5, which was offline but loaded with fuel rods when the plant was damaged by the earthquake and tsunami in March 2011.

The source of the leak was a 3 mm-diameter hole near a flow valve, a statement published by the Japanese energy giant on Sunday asserts. However it is unclear from company data if the location of the opening has been discovered, or whether it was calculated with flow measurements.

At the time when the cooling system was switched off at around 12pm on Sunday, the temperature in the pool in which the rods are submerged was 23C but started increasing by 0.193 degrees per hour, TEPCO says.

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bananas

(27,509 posts)
2. Fukushima Daiichi: Cooling stopped at reactor #5 SFP
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 06:19 AM
Jul 2014
https://www.facebook.com/fukushima311watchdog/photos/a.152784841486489.30279.152781241486849/616899721741663/?type=1

Fukushima Daiichi :Cooling stopped at reactor #5 SFP ,July6

Direct trans from Asahi:

"TEPCO the 6th, the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Unit 5 spent fuel has announced that it has stopped the cooling of the pools that store. Cooling water because the water leak is found from the pipe to capture the cool sea water.

10 at around 11am on the 6th, the reactor building of TEPCO employees patrolling water from leaking from a pipe in the found. Had leaked that auxiliary cooling seawater system, it was piping system to capture the seawater to cool the turbines and pumps. Of water leaking radioactive material concentration of low, TEPCO is expected to seawater. There was no leak in the patrol at the time of the morning the day before."

http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASG7656YKG76ULBJ004.html

below are only in Japanese info and News.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20140706/k10015784351000.html
http://www.tepco.co.jp/cc/press/2014/1238800_5851.html
http://www.tepco.co.jp/cc/press/2014/1238799_5851.html
http://www.tepco.co.jp/cc/press/2014/1238800_5851.html

littlemissmartypants

(22,558 posts)
3. Crickets.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:07 AM
Jul 2014

Why is our government not paying more attention to this? I just don't get it. Thanks for the post, bananas!

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:38 AM
Jul 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

Overview of incident

The plant comprised six separate boiling water reactors originally designed by General Electric (GE) and maintained by the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO). Units 2 through 6 were BWR-4, while Unit 1 was the slightly older BWR-3 design.[23] At the time of the earthquake, Reactor 4 had been de-fueled and Reactors 5 and 6 were in cold shutdown for planned maintenance.[24]



"We bring good things to life"

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
20. The typhoon will probably just be a rainstorm
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:05 AM
Jul 2014

by the time it makes it to Fukushima, if it even makes it that far.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
23. not to worry about a hurricane bearing down on 3 nuke plants, according to your puppetmasters
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jul 2014

you must be making a bundle but I'm not buying the BS

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
26. The great thing about reality...
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 12:19 PM
Jul 2014

... is that it isn't impacted in the least by whether or not the lunatic fringe (or posters on DU) "buys it".

Lots of reactors have been hit by hurricanes in the past... they really aren't a big deal even to operating reactors. Units that have been shut down for years are obviously even less at risk.


 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
27. Fukushima is not shutdown, tho
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jul 2014

It is still cooking. It is spewing into the air and into the ocean. This storm will just help spread more nuke material.

Why haven't you, FB, quit playing the "Nukes are safe" act yet? Haven't you learned anything in the last 3 years?

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
28. One had to wonder when you would show up with the free entertainment.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jul 2014

What incredible nonsense. "Not shutdown" indeed.

It was shutdown within seconds of the earthquake.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
30. The place blew up days later.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jul 2014

Shutdown? What a sorry ass joke.

Aren't you getting tired of protecting the 'nukes are safe' position?

I can tell you love to get personal with people who are just concerned about their health.

But to continue on and on and on, making excuses for the 'nukes are safe' position must be wearing you down?

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
31. So? That was long after they shut down.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jul 2014

It's hard to accept that you still don't "get" this stuff after years of east explanations. A shut down reactor still has to deal with decay heat which, for the first several days, is more than enough in the absence of sufficient cooling,to cause the core to overheat and melt down - as well as putting out hydrogen that can explode violently in the wrong circumstances.

I can tell you love to get personal with people who are just concerned about their health.

Not at all. I love pulling people out of unknowing ignorance. Anyone in the US "concerned about their health" from Fukushima should be more concerned with improving their understanding of basic scientific/medical concepts and/or their mental health rather than physical well-being.

But to continue on and on and on, making excuses for the 'nukes are safe' position must be wearing you down?

Not at all. Rebutting your nonsense takes remarkably little effort. It isn't as though I'm the one that needs to invent entirely new realities to magically connect Fukushima to anything that happens to be in the news today. I just need to repeat simple truths and laugh at your attempts at spinning them. There isn't close to enough heat produced by even an active reactor to warm up the pacific (or any significant portion of it)... there isn't enough radiation from Fukushima in the Pacific to harm anyone (let alone mysteriously kill off starfish and larger sea life)... It isn't possible for the cores to still be active all these years later without producing massive un-hide-able amounts of radio-iodine - and since none has been detected, there are no active cores. Etc...etc...etc.

Not wearisome at all... quite simple really. It's your nonsensical positions that take such... well... let's just say "an active imagination".

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
41. I'd laugh, but...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:25 PM
Jul 2014

Since the industry has failed, and is polluting the ocean, and has forced 160,000 people from their homes around Fukushima, the 'nukes are safe' crowd's only recourse is to imagine it all away and claim nothing bad has happened.

I'd laugh but I find nothing funny about any of this.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
33. If "It" was "shutdown within seconds of the earthquake," why all the meltdowns?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jul 2014

Shut down implies a process to stop the reactors. And why weren't these reactors equipped for a fail-safe shutdown?

TEPCO was warned there'd be problems.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
34. Same answer that RobertEarl got...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jul 2014

... and that you've been provided with multiple times.

Shut down implies a process to stop the reactors

Yep... and they were.

"Shutdown" means that there's no more fission going on. That cuts heat production dramatically, but decay heat can't be "shut off"... it declines naturally. It has to be dealt with with ongoing cooling. An hour after the shutdown was when they lost power (and thus much of the cooling).

And why weren't these reactors equipped for a fail-safe shutdown?

You'll have to ask the Japanese. Their standards for the specific area of failure (backup generators and the ability to recover from their failure) aren't the same as those in the US. Had they been, Daiichi could have been more like Daini.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
35. Nice answer. Not to what I asked, though.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jul 2014

If the reactors were shut down, why were there three nuclear reactor meltdowns?

If the meltdowns could have been avoided, there might not have been the two (per Arnie Gundersen) or three "hydrogen gas" explosions that destroyed the containment buildings and made clean-up a nightmare, if not a practical impossibility.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
36. Actually... it's exactly what you asked.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jul 2014

You just either didn't understand it or are intentionally avoiding it.

If the reactors were shut down, why were there three nuclear reactor meltdowns?

Third time... same answer. Because "shut down" does not mean "producing no heat"... it means "fission has been stopped". And that happened within seconds of the earthquake hitting.

If it was possible for "shut down" to mean "not producing substantial heat"... there would be no need for backup power systms and backup cooling systems.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
38. That's nonsensical.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jul 2014

Sorry... words mean things and you don't get to make up your own reality.

The statement "fission was not stopped or there would have been no meltdowns" is simply wrong. Virtually every meltdown of a reactor in history occured after fission ceased.

Decay heat is more than enough to meltdown a reactor core. It would have been much worse if the tsunami had struck right after the earthquake, since decay heat is much higher in the first hour as the most active isotopes decay away.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
46. You're saying that the nuclear reactions stopped. But, they didn't.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:51 PM
Jul 2014

The reactors continue to spew radioactivity, not even TEPCO knows from where or from what. That's the reality.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
49. That's correct - I'm saying that nuclear reactions stopped
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jul 2014

And that's exactly what happened. You denying it doesn't change reality. Nuclear decay, however, continues.

The reactors continue to spew radioactivity
Reactors don't "spew radioactivity"... they spew (in an event like this) isotopes that are themselves radioactive. Some of those particles existed before they were ever put into the reactor, and some of them were created in the reactor while it was active, but none of them were created after the reactor shutdown because there was no more fission (apart from the entirely irrelevant to the conversation "spontaneous" fission that has no impact at all).

not even TEPCO knows from where or from what.

??? - Did that make sense to you when you typed it? Of course they know where the radioactive particles come from. There was never any doubt. There's a question of how much of each isotope escaped, but there's no question that the fission that created them stopped.

I'll reword the same simple proof that RE got. Many fission products are very short-lived (and thus very radioactive)... and very easy to detect. Tepco, for all their corporate games, couldn't possibly hide them. Yet none have been detected for years... thus there is no ongoing fission. Q.E.D.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
55. Do you get extra credit for getting in the last word?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:44 PM
Jul 2014

TEPCO doesn't know where the three reactor cores are, let alone what condition they are in.
They melted through the containment.
They are still releasing radioactivity into the environment.

Those are the facts. How you can make excuses for them is your business, not mine.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
56. They don't know where the cores are
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jul 2014

But the radiation in the form of isotopes, heavy metals, and even core materials are un-contained, having entered, and entering the environment. The whole place is falling apart. Some buildings are too hot for even robots to get close. Three buildings are smoldering ruins and they've stopped moving used fuel from the one fuel pool they could get too. Ground water is flowing through the plant's basements and into the pacific. Increasing levels of radionuclides are being found in the ocean.

It will be going on, and getting worse and worse for gawd knows how long. People have every right to be alarmed and concerned.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
58. Nope... just for getting it right. You should try it some time.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jul 2014

Let's review your most recent attempt.

TEPCO doesn't know where the three reactor cores are, let alone what condition they are in.
They melted through the containment.
They are still releasing radioactivity into the environment.


What does any of that have to do with whether or not the reactors shut down right after the earthquake?

Answer... nothing. But let's go ahead and grade them anyway.

The first statement is either deceptive of simply wrong. They don't know the precise location of each core (that is... how much is still in the RPV and how much is on the floor of the PCV)... nor do they know "condition" if we take that to mean shape/distribution/composition specifics. But they do know that they aren't still fissioning away at thousands of degrees somewhere in the ground under the PCV.

The second is flat wrong. All three cores are still within the primary containment. The worst "melted through" estimate of the worst of the three units involves burning through a few inches of concrete without reaching the steel beneath that (let alone the several additional feet of concrete below the steel).

They are still releasing radioactivity into the environment.

Not much... but some. Which (as above) doesn't say anything at all about whether or not the reactors shut down when the quake hit.

So we'll give you partial credit for #3. Unfortunately... that still leaves you with an "F".

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
61. So, rather than make a point with facts, you denigrate me.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jul 2014

FTR: Not one of your responses names a source for your information, let alone includes a link. That says more about you than what you say about me.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
59. Octafish, you just don't grok FB, do you?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:12 PM
Jul 2014

When he says shutdown, it means it quit producing electricity. The whole place is now useless, is what FB means.

He doesn't mean that the heat source they used to boil water with has quit producing more heat. In fact, he claims that heat is still being produced. It's just that the plant is shutdown from being under control and being useful.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
60. A Japanese typhoon is not really like an East Coast hurricane
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:53 PM
Jul 2014

They can be pretty strong down in Okinawa and Kyushu, but by the time they reach this part of Japan, they are usually severely weakened. We were supposed to get strong winds and heavy rains here 100 miles south of Dai-ichi, and there were some mildly gusty winds yesterday, but the typhoon fizzled out, like typhoons usually do around here. This morning, there weren't even the usual branches and leaves strewn about on roads and sidewalks that there usually are after a typhoon's passage.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
11. Not a blessed thing.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:42 AM
Jul 2014

That is... nothing newsworthy.

65 degrees isn't a safety limit, it's a regulatory limit. If it gets close to that, they could turn the pump back on and put a trash can under the leak (it's just seawater)... or they could just run a hose up to the fuel pool and add water to the pool.

And it takes a pretty active imagination to think there's any trouble patching a 3mm hole within nine days. Or they could just run the heat through the cooling system for the core.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
13. geesh, according to you this is not a problem
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jul 2014

Easy fixes like "run a hose" and "put a trash can under the leak" might not work for a nuke plant like it does for your pool at home.



Also, I wouldn't believe a thing coming out of TEPCO's piehole, any more than I believed what they said during the earthquake meltdowns. You don't know if it's a 3 mm hole, a 3 in hole or a 3m hole. Just wait a few hrs. or days. I expect the story line to change.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
14. That's only because... it isn't a problem.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:40 AM
Jul 2014

The easy fixes work just fine. They work exactly like a "pool at home".

Also, I wouldn't believe a thing coming out of TEPCO's piehole

That's up to you... but they're the only source of information on the topic that isn't making things up out of whole cloth. So you can just ignore the story if you like.

Probably best... since it's ridiculous that we're even reading about it.

You don't know if it's a 3 mm hole, a 3 in hole or a 3m hole

It doesn't really matter how large it is. It isn't a hole in the pool-side of the piping. They could add water by walking buckets up the stairs if they had to. There simply isn't a danger here.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
12. Hilarious that anyone thinks this qualifies as "breaking news"
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jul 2014

A 3mm hole in the seawater side of a cooling look for a spent fuel pool thousands of miles away... and that now qualifies as "news" (let alone "breaking news&quot ?

If the system is not repaired in nine days, temperatures will exceed the dangerous threshold of 65 degrees. Such a temperature would increase the possibility of dangerous reactions and further radiation leaks in the plant.

An entirely ridiculous statement. 65 degrees is in no sense a "dangerous threshold"... nor does it impact "the possibility of dangerous reactions" or "radiation leaks".

Who makes this stuff up? More importantly... how do you fall for it so often?

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
22. 88% of the spent fuel now out of unit #4
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:00 AM
Jul 2014

Who knew there was so many easy ones, eh?



But don't worry. They've shut down the process for a couple months while they do the annual inspection on the equipment. You can spend the next couple months pretending that it's all a lie and they've really gotten to the assemblies that they just can't handle.

Still waiting for those cores to burn their way down to the water table - creating that hydro-volcanic eruption. Bound to happen any day now, right?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
24. uh, and now that the radioactive "assembly" pools are exceeding capacity, then what?
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jul 2014

Something your industry hasn't quite figured out yet but to you and your employers, "not a problem."

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
25. Sorry... you're not living in the real world.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jul 2014

They (not my employer or industry) "figured it out" many years ago now.

Once spent assemblies are more than a few years old (five years by US regulations, but three years is thought to be enough), the fuel doesn't need to be under water at all. They could move it to dry cask storage at any time.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
29. Your personal attacks are tiresome, FB
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jul 2014

But the reason the fuel has NOT been moved to dry casks is: Costs too much.

Much cheaper to just keep the waste in the pools.

Problem is: the pools drain. Years and years of radioactive heat, salt water in the pipes, earthquakes and power failures, all add up to FUBAR, which is what we now have. FUBAR.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
32. You're really not in a position to claim injury at so-called "personal attacks" RE
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:46 PM
Jul 2014

It's really laughable to try.

But the reason the fuel has NOT been moved to dry casks is: Costs too much.

That's the reason why US reactors often don't do it. It's more expensive and there's no need to move the fuel from the pool (assuming it isn't full).

But the pool we're talking about here IS full... so there's no comparative cost decision to make.

Problem is: the pools drain.

There's that active imagination of yours again. The pools have not drained, and adding water to a pool is one of the easiest tasks out there. The reason they need to remove the fuel is that they're decomissioning the reactors. That necessarily involves removing the fuel before you take the place apart. (planned demolition having more impact on fuel pools than your imaginary "salt water in the pipes causes pools to drain" nonsense)

Years and years of radioactive heat,
Has no impact on pool integrity
salt water in the pipes
Also has no impact on pool integrity
earthquakes and power failures,
An earthquake could theoretically impact pool integrity, but it hasn't happened... and obviously power failures have no impact on steel-reinforced concrete at all.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
39. In denial of common physics even, FB?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:10 PM
Jul 2014

You'll claim anything to protest the industry and its colossal failures?

Pool #4 drained and it ended up with the building being blown up.

These pool's bottoms are 50 feet off the ground. The heat and radioactivity degrade the structural integrity of the pools. Water runs down hill. That is just simple physics.

Pipes rust, steel in concrete rusts, and concrete dissolves.

Just simple physics. Nukes are not magical structures which can withstand physics, no matter what the 'nukes are safe' crowd claims.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
40. One of us is in denial of common physics... the other one majored in the subject
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:24 PM
Jul 2014

That's not you... now is it?

Pool #4 drained and it ended up with the building being blown up.

Nope. There was a point in the first few days when many of us thought that it may have drained... but it obviously never did. If there was a drainage pathway, it wouldn't hold water now - which it obviously does.

These pool's bottoms are 50 feet off the ground. The heat and radioactivity degrade the structural integrity of the pools.

Nope. Water can't get hot enough to "degrade the structural integrity" of thick steel-reinforced and steel-lined concrete. It simply can't.

And neither can alpha or beta particles from spent fuel (almost entirely shielded by water).

Pipes rust, steel in concrete rusts, and concrete dissolves.

Rusting pipes don't cause pool drainage when they aren't "downhill" from the pool. That is simple physics. Steel inside concrete doesn't rust. That's why steel-reinforced dams can last for centuries. Go ahead and tell the Hoover Dam folks that concrete disolves over that kind of timeframe. They deserve to get the same laughs that you so frequently provide the rest of us.



FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
43. Feel free to put me on ignore.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jul 2014

I have too much fun pointing out how ridiculous your frequent fictions are to "shoo".

Alternatively... you could try looking some of these things up rather than making them up. It would be less embarrassing for you.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
45. You are having fun?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:44 PM
Jul 2014

WTF is fun about Fukushima?

Your twisted denial is sickening. Other posters here have even accused you of taking a check from the industry.

You don't post OPs about Fukushima because it would expose your 'having fun with nuke disasters'. All you do is hang out in threads personally attacking people who only care about the problem.

If anyone should put anyone on ignore it should be you permanently putting away your ID and begging for forgiveness from all those you have assaulted.

But no, you are just having too much fun. Go away.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
47. Loads and loads.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jul 2014
WTF is fun about Fukushima?

Oh... not much. But then again, few of your posts ever really have anything to do with Fukushima. The fantasy world that you've substituted, OTOH, is fun.

Other posters here have even accused you of taking a check from the industry.

Yep. A fairly common (if unfortunate) symptom of someone being well out of their depth in a debate. It's the quintessential ad-hominem fallacy.

But let us not forget what so many posters have accused you of... including several firmly anti-nuclear regulars.

You don't post OPs about Fukushima

Sure I do. All the time. I just don't go and make up my own reality for those threads just to troll a crowd of correction. Also... absent real "news" (which just doesn't happen much in Fukushima these days), I post them in the forum where they belong. But we both know that you're not welcome there, don't we? Your posts are widely considered to be so outlandish that you are either a troll, a pro-nuclear plant looking to make all anti-nuclear posters look bad, or a sock puppet for a pro-nuclear poster so that his/her strawman arguments can actually be put into the mouth of someone claiming to be against nuclear power.



 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
48. No. baggins, Nukes are the bad guys.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:07 PM
Jul 2014

I sense a lot of anger and hate in your post.

The pro-nuke people will do and say anything to whitewash the damages done by nukes.

As for audience: Look at my posts in GD about nukes. Sometimes thousands of views and many recs. Here's one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025136319


58 recs

64 replies, 2851 views

Once again you are just pissing in the wind and wondering why you are all wet.

Bwahahaha.

Again, the hosts for life in E&E are playing their games. Too, they are mostly pro-nuke. Like you, they hate me because i had to correct them so many times about their dumb pro-nuke stances.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
50. More nonsense. Sorry.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:12 PM
Jul 2014
I sense a lot of anger and hate in your post.

And... as is so often the case... this exists entirely within your own imagination.

As for audience: Look at my posts in GD about nukes. Sometimes thousands of views and many recs.

Lol! And virtually every one of those posts telling you how nutty your notion du jour is and laughing at you (including long-time DU regulars who are firmly anti-nuke). You really don't see that?

Again, the hosts for life in E&E are playing their games. Too, they are mostly pro-nuke. Like you, they hate me because i had to correct them so many times about their dumb pro-nuke stances.

More active imagination on your part. Pro-nukes are in the minority on E/E, but none of the anti-nukes have any problem with your banning. Most of them wonder why you're allowed on DU at all.

Me? As I said... I just like the free entertainment.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
51. You survived an alert, somehow
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jul 2014

Again, since you have failed to protect the nuke industry you do nothing but attack the people who care about the damage done to the environment.

The reason i was blocked form E&E was because i refused to ignore Pamw, and that was the only reason. I am glad i was, because it is a waste of time in that forum.

58 recs, baggins. I bet you wish you could get half as many on any thread of yours.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:24 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see this as a personal attack or off-topic. Bogus alert.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Baggins is full of shit. Hide this.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The snark between these 2 was started by RobertEarl and FBaggins has been remarkably polite in answering.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I just love when something like this lands in my lap. =D
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
53. Somehow?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jul 2014

I'm not sure if I've ever had a post hidden over five years and 10k+ posts.

The reason i was blocked form E&E was because i refused to ignore Pamw, and that was the only reason. I am glad i was, because it is a waste of time in that forum.

I didn't make claims about the specifics of why you were initially banned (though that's clearly enough)... I'm telling you what the anti-nukes said - and why you haven't been welcomed back even after PamW was also banned.

58 recs, baggins.

You seem to think that "rec" means "I agree with this post". You have no idea how many of them were just watching the train crash and couldn't look away.

As I said... you're quite entertaining - to far more than just me. I'm sure that I've rec'd a number of your posts on the "Hey! Get a load of this guy!" theory.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
57. Bwahahaha ..
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:48 AM
Jul 2014

You have like 10 recs your whole history and probably are on more ignored lists than anyone.

What you write about and support is dangerous to life on the planet. It is disturbing. You even sit there and deny simple physics about steel rusting and concrete eroding.


FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
54. The ones who are out to get him of course.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jul 2014

You must be one of those pro-nuke posters that just agrees with FBaggins all the time. Right?

Remind me again... how often do we agree on nuclear-power-related issues?

dougolat

(716 posts)
15. Global Journalist Radio: Fukushima - three years later
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jul 2014

[link:

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published July 3, 2014
with Steve Starr, program director for clinical lab science at the University of Missouri School for Health Professionals
and James Corbett who runs FukushimaUpdate.com in Japan
at the Donald W. Reynolds Journalism Institute

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
44. Aw... too bad. It looks like the end of the world will have to be put on hold.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:38 PM
Jul 2014

They restarted the pool cooling with a simple patch on the hole (the kind of thing DC crews on a ship do all the time)... then also tested a bypass to use the core cooling system if needed.

I'm sure that someone will spill a bucket of paint in Fukushima tomorrow and "beforeitsnews" or RT will figure out a way to pretend that it will result in a new disaster... so we'll all have more "breaking news" to talk about.

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