More Than 60 Shot, 9 Dead in Chicago's Bloody Holiday Weekend

[hue]

Source: abc NEWS

Independence Day celebrations were marred by multiple shootings in Chicago that reportedly left at least nine dead and 60 injured.

The first fatal shooting occurred around 2:30 a.m. Friday, kicking off a violent weekend for the city.

Corey Hudson, 34, was killed after a car pulled up and someone inside shot him and a friend on the street. According to ABC News station WLS-TV in Chicago there were also three police-involved shootings on July 4th alone. At least one suspect involved in one of those shootings was killed.

The most recent shootings occurred Sunday night, according to WLS-TV.

They city has been actively combating gang and shooting violence in recent years after a bloody year in 2012, when it was the only city in the nation to record more than 500 homicides.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/violence-mars-chicago-holiday-weekend-50-reportedly-injured/story?id=24446308

[onehandle]

1. Guns are handy. nt

[hack89]

3. And gangs are bad. nt

[yeoman6987]

26. EVERYTHING to do with gangs.

Take care of the gang problem and then take care of the gun problem at least in Chicago....Baltimore is a mess too but not sure if it is gangs or just overall drugs.

[pipoman]

2. And isn't Chicago the only city in the US that doesn't have a single gun store? Hmmm...

[mikeysnot]

5. Yes, because it is a known fact that

gun stores prevent gun deaths.... I got that fact from the Bureau of NRA's butt.

[pipoman]

8. Apparently they don't cause them....

[mikeysnot]

9. tied into a pretzel.

[MosheFeingold]

70. Either repeal the 2nd amendment or cease half-measure gun control efforts

What this tells me is half-measure control efforts that pass muster under this radical Supreme Court's bad rulings are doomed for failure.

Either let it be the Wild West where everyone has a chance or repeal the 2nd and collect all the guns.

No half measures.

[Vincardog]

77. In the "Wild West" most towns had a NO GUN policy. If you wanted to come in their town leave

Your gun with the Sheriff. What rights the US Constitution does not enumerate and delegate
It reserved for the PEOPLE.

[IronGate]

80. Not true,

very few frontier towns had a no gun policy, Tombstone was one that did and only in the "respectable" part of town, firearms were allowed in the red light district.

[Vincardog]

81. I disagree however if even if true it shows that a town CAN ban the GUNS.

[IronGate]

82. Not so much anymore,

most states now have what's called pre-emption laws, that's where only the state can set firearms laws, local govts can make the laws more lax, but not more restrictive.

Also, no state/city/town/county can outright ban guns anymore, McDonald v Chicago put that to rest.

[jamzrockz]

6. But when you have a

raging gang war going on, they will go to the end of the earths to obtain one because they need it to conduct business. End the war on drugs and you will see a 75% reduction in gun related homicides in a week

[pipoman]

7. Agreed

[wordpix]

18. improve inner city schools & end poverty, too

if you want guns off the streets.

As for gun stores, they aren't needed by gangs and drug dealers. They get guns from private sales, no problem.

[yeoman6987]

27. improve inner city schools & end poverty, too

I think the United States has really tried to help these cities, but not exactly sure what else can be done. It is a shame. Most major cities in America are a complete and utter mess. Do we bulldoze them down and start over? That is certainly something to consider. I would love to see the poor have nice rebuilt single family homes to live in and gardens to keep. In the city, they don't have many options to do that kind of thing. Boy is it radical to say such a thing, but I think it would work but it would be expensive, but in the long run it would help the poor tremendously.

[wordpix]

54. people will fix up their own places if they have job$

Poverty = poor housing or none, family stress, bad food and health care, no money--- so kids turn to gangs, drug sales and protecting their turf to earn $.

My students in the inner city were sometimes homeless or sleeping on a floor in a crowded apt. (In one case, 2 teen girls were at home with babies; there was also a younger sister, young adult brother and 2 parents---3 teens, 2 babies, 3 adults all in a small 2 br. apt).

[sharp_stick]

21. They don't need gun stores

most of them are easily stolen from people that don't have the brains to lock up their weapons. These are then brought into cities like Chicago and sold to every gangbanger in town.

[pipoman]

53. So these shootings are done by thieves, gangs and outlaws?

How has Chicago's unconstitutional gun preoccupation helped crime? Would there really be any more crime if common people had legal access? Would there be as many shootings, less a few innocent people dying and plus a few thieves, gang members, and outlaws? Who knows...seems most cities in the US have limitations on firearms within the constitution and at the same time aren't setting records for shootings. ..in fact most places have had reduction of crime.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

23. Real hard to drive to the suburbs or Indiana. And something tells me gangs don't need receipts.

[pipoman]

24. An Illinois resident can't buy a gun in Indiana legally. ..

Are they having these same problems in Indiana too?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

29. I'll take straw buyers for a hundred, Alex.

[pipoman]

31. Wonder why there aren't many, many

Federal straw buyer cases?

[mucifer]

51. You must realize the south side of Chicago boarders on Indiana.

[pipoman]

52. And you must realize it is illegal for an Illinois resident to buy a gun

In Indiana unless the seller mails it to a federal firearms dealer in Illinois for the buyer to pick up?

[IronLionZion]

56. They should make it illegal for Illinois residents to murder people. nt

[pipoman]

59. Yep, then proactively enforce it...

[heaven05]

4. Man!!!

the RWer and their racist counterparts are going to run with this one, especially since this tragedy of unfettered guns in the wrong hands, is taking place in an 'urban' area. Now as a adjunct, I would like to ask, how many of these shootings were 'justified' and by justified, how many legal gun owners were defending hearth and life? All people will do otherwise is start pointing their fingers, totally trying to deflect the issue into one of race and not of the gun worship cult/religion practiced by the many of different races and cultures.

[pipoman]

10. Doubtfully few since owning a gun in Chicago is not legal

Or wasn't until recently

[heaven05]

11. Doubtful what?

that the RWer's and their racist counterparts won't use this as ammunition to paint all of one race as miscreant? Some legal gun owners shouldn't have them. I'm trying to be proactive here, because I know what's coming. I'm not going to any other site on this because most don't have the 'civility' this site has and I'd be banned today.

[pipoman]

14. Doubtful few legal gun owners were defending themselves. ..

Probably more innocent people shot there defending themselves with a frying pan frantically calling 911...

[pipoman]

16. The gangbanging would be curbed by a proactive approach to drugs...

But alas.

[Inkfreak]

22. Yes, the real root of this epic violence is the drug trade. No doubt. (nt)

[Comrade Grumpy]

30. Let's go a bit deeper. The real root of this epic violence is drug prohibition.

Ask a Chicago gang-banger of a different era, Al Capone.

The booze business is a drug trade, but it is now a legal one. And the only violence associated with it comes from inebriated consumers, not rum-runners and boot-leggers.

[Inkfreak]

37. Completely agree. (nt)

[heaven05]

20. gangs are a problem, true

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yet, your solution to just start shooting them in a open season hunt on 'gang bangers' is amazing. Yeah I'm tired of these shootings also and have never fired a weapon offensively in civilian society. To want to declare 'open season' on gang bangers is just a hateful lack of compassion for the REAL problems that caused this situation to arise in the first place. What problems? I won't even try to address the myriad of sociological, cultural complications inherent in 'urban' gun proliferation. Settling the continuing drug problem comes immediately to mind. Yet I would venture that since the problem is in 'urban' areas, not a lot of money is allocated at the state level to deal with that problem. If an 'open season' were to be declared it would be opening a can of worms that the Jewish/Palestinian, Shia/Sunni, are experiencing as we speak. Racist whites would be heading in droves to the 'urban' areas from BUNDYLANDS all over this country. The racial holy war that white supremacist and evidently you want would be reality. You want this? Your hate is offensive. geez

[IronGate]

15. Here's a least one.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-military-member-concealed-carry-shoots-attacker-20140706,0,5324984.story

Authorities: Military service member with concealed carry permit shoots attacker



By Geoff Ziezulewicz

Tribune reporter

7:23 a.m. CDT, July 7, 2014



A Gresham man fired on a group of people leaving a party, only to be shot himself by one of the victims, a military service member with a concealed carry permit, authorities said.

The military member and three others were leaving a party Friday night in the 11700 block of South Union Avenue in West Pullman, Assistant State’s Attorney Mary Hain said during a court hearing Sunday.

One of the victims had noticed a cup of liquor on top of her vehicle and asked attendees of a party next door who it belonged to, Hain said.

When she removed it, Denzel A. Mickiel approached her, shouting obscenities and threatening her and her friends, according to Hain and court records.

[heaven05]

17. that's what I was trying

to get an understanding of. A few on here want to make this tragic spate of shootings a black and white issue, metaphorically speaking. Life is not simple that way. Lots of grey. Thanks. See response #12 on a 'solution' put forth by a DUer, Independent.

[pipoman]

25. Not a DUer so much anymore apparently. ...

[alp227]

36. Your source is the Daily Caller, a right wing site whose articles are reposted on Yahoo.

The original ChiTrib source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-military-member-concealed-carry-shoots-attacker-20140706,0,5324984.story

[IronGate]

38. Thanks for posting that link.

Every time I tried to bring it up, my computer would lock up.

[alp227]

39. thanks, could you please edit the Daily Caller/Yahoo link out of your post?

I believe DU shouldn't give credibility to right wing sources. And Yahoo News really crashes your browser?

[IronGate]

40. Done.

Yeah, for some reason unknown to me, Yahoo News will lock my computer up.

[alp227]

41. must be those fancy flash ads. i have adblock so yahoo news doesn't crash my browser.

but here are better alternatives to Yahoo News.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ for AP wire stories

http://www.reuters.com/ for Reuters stories

http://www.afp.com/en/ for Agence France Presse

(All these wire services' content are republished on Yahoo News.)

[samsingh]

13. to the gun lovers we need more guns in chicago

or the really stupid response - there are already too many guns there - what will gun control achieve.

the follow up stupid response -
gun control was brought in when there were too many guns and see it didn't work.

I could keep going.

[yeoman6987]

28. You really can't have much more gun control in Chicago when there is a complete ban on guns.

I believe they have the strictest rules for guns in the country.

[CreekDog]

32. you can't really have less than just a few miles away

[yeoman6987]

33. Well that is true

but Chicago does not have jurisdiction over a place a few miles away. Do the place a few miles away have the same problems as Chicago?

[CreekDog]

34. yes some of those places do

[yeoman6987]

35. Maybe banning guns in those places may work too.

I don't know. I would imagine that an all out ban in America would just start the trips to Mexico.

[former9thward]

50. Maybe you would name those places...

Since that is your claim.

[IronLionZion]

57. Gary, Indiana nt

[former9thward]

58. What about all the surrounding suburbs of Chicago who have less gun control?

Do they have the same problems as the poster I was replying to said?

[Tetris_Iguana]

69. The outer suburbs sure don't.

And they pursue policies to make sure it stays that way.

For example, my lily white suburb won't allow freeway exits, low income housing, or fast food chains to be built in the town to keep the surrounding "riff-raff" out.

It may not be entirely kosher but it sure is effective.

Also, unlike the city, we actually care about our troubled youth. Sad fact is Chicago just doesn't care about its poorest districts.

[JVS]

19. 82 in 84 hours

[jakeXT]

42. SWAT teams patrol Chicago’s streets after about 60 people shot during July 4 weekend

(Reuters) – The July Fourth holiday weekend brought an explosion of gunfire to Chicago, where at least 60 people were shot and roughly a dozen killed, authorities said on Monday.

The violence was so widespread during the three-day weekend that police were still tallying the dead and wounded, Chicago Police Department spokesman Hector Alfaro said.

In a news conference Monday morning, Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy called the violence “unacceptable,” and he blamed it in part on a “proliferation of firearms.”

The Chicago Tribune reported 82 people were shot and 14 killed. To try to quell the violence, SWAT teams patrolled the streets along with police officers and law enforcement brought in SUVs packed with rifles, the paper said. Those shot ranged in age from 14 to 66, according to the paper.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/07/still-tallying-the-dead-about-60-people-shot-in-chicago-during-july-4-weekend/

[lunasun]

48. * Dig the Iris Dement lyrics in the comments section of that link ^

drug youth gangs and the shootings are just another sign of decay all should be concerned about

[valerief]

43. If only they'd had more guns, everyone would have been safe. Gungeoneer logic.

[Paladin]

44. Pretty creepy, how satisfied the gun militants are with these Chicago tragedies.

They have no interest in doing anything constructive or proactive or preventative; to the contrary, this sort of blood-letting is exactly what they need to justify their obsession with firearms and their eager anticipation of the violent usage of those firearms. As always, proof of the foregoing is available in DU's Gun Control & RKBA group.

[hack89]

45. Not as creepy as spamming LBN with blood and gore

It sounds like you think the solution to America's gun problem is to eradicate inner city violence - that way we can feel secure and rid ourselves of guns. Good idea - you go concentrate on those actually doing the killing. Get back to us when it is safe.

[lunasun]

46. another local link 11 killed in this link. Also I heard today up to 80 shot but no link for that #

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/07/11-killed-at-least-60-wounded-in-citywide-shootings-this-weekend/

[tabasco]

47. Not to worry. Just another military operation by the "well-regulated militia"

that we have here in the US.

[hack89]

55. I doubt few of the shooters could legally own guns

but then conflating criminals with legal gun owners is what the gun control movement is all about. And why they fail time after time.

[tabasco]

60. LOL.

"I doubt" = "I don't know" = "I'm just making shit up as I go along to suit my agenda"

[hack89]

61. Chicago police say it is a gang problem

We all know that gang members will break every law with the exception of gun laws. Lol yourself.

[tabasco]

62. This is what the Chicago police are actually saying

Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy:

"It all comes down to these guns: there's too many guns coming in and too little punishment going out," McCarthy said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chicagos-violent-weekend-ends-21-sunday-shootings/story?id=24452637

[hack89]

63. Lots of illegal guns and lax enforcement

looks like there is much the city of Chicago can do to enforce the existing gun laws. And the state needs to strengthen laws against the illegal use of guns.

placed much of the blame on lax gun laws, citing unenforced punishments for illegal gun possession.

Everyone asks me what the difference is between New York and Chicago and I can tell you quite simply: proliferation of firearms," he said today.

"There's a greater sanction for the gang members to lose that firearm from their gang than there is to go to jail," he said.

He said that during a chase, suspects in New York and Newark would throw away their weapons, but in Chicago they keep them and sometimes fire at police.

Besides the police and prosecutors actually doing their jobs, another solution is to quadruple the size of the ATF and have them crack down on illegal gun sales. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[tabasco]

64. So it looks like me, you and the Police Superintendent agree.

Proliferation of firearms is the problem.

[hack89]

65. Proliferation of illegal firearms is the problem

A much narrower and easier problem to solve.

[tabasco]

66. Ahh yes, such an easy problem to solve

when you ignore the actual problem.

[hack89]

67. The problem is too many illegal guns

I know you dream of disarming America but how does taking my guns away stop gang violence in Chicago? Chicago outlawed legal gun ownership for decades and never ended gang violence.

As a practical matter, what is easier - passing national gun bans or stopping illegal gun trafficking? Time to come back to reality.

[tabasco]

71. You're making stuff up again. Is that all you can do?

"National gun ban" - that's funny. Handguns, maybe. As an infantry officer for 10 years and two combat tours, I never had a need for a handgun.

I detect some paranoia on your part. "They're coming to take my precious!!!" LOL. .

[hack89]

72. So what are your solutions to Chicago's problems

I support UBCs - what else would you suggest?

Btw- I have no reason to be paranoid. President Obama has been good to gun owners.

[tabasco]

73. People allowed to have bolt actions and shotguns

Ban all handguns and semi-auto rifles.

10-year mandatory prison for violators.

Thanks for asking!

[hack89]

74. Sounds like a national ban to me

I guess it wasn't paranoia after all.

[tabasco]

75. Hahahahaha!

Bolt action rifles and shotguns are not firearms?

By your "logic," since you're not allowed to have hand grenades and 25mm cannons, a "national ban" is already in effect. LOL!

How sad that so many Americans live in fear.

[hack89]

76. But you would ban all semi- automatic weapons, right?

Split hairs all you want.

[Duckhunter935]

78. sounds like someone wants confiscation

[Tetris_Iguana]

49. This is why 82 people got shot

Right here:

"As of early Monday morning, the station reports no one was in custody for any of the weekend shootings."

Profitable black market + accessible firearms + inept police force = gun violence epidemic.

[sofa king]

68. I was going to ask what's going on.

I've seen a lot of blood-letting summer weekends now--Reagan's crack epidemic was so much bloodier than this you just wouldn't believe it if you hadn't experienced it yourself.

So my first guess was that this was some sort of large-scale takeover of drug sales territory. I guess the real story will shake out in a few days or weeks. My experience tells me there is always a much deeper reason than, "it's too hot outside," though temperature--and therefore climate change--does play a significant role.

It's also worth remembering that the allegations that the Reagan Administration, through aiding the Contras, became deeply entwined with the major distributors of cocaine at the time is now documented and no longer a point of debate.

So, perhaps we should be asking ourselves, "what is the Republican Party/CIA/NSA saving up for this summer?"

Edit: And I should scoldingly remind a lot of you that this is about poverty, lack of opportunity and hope, and desperate urban populations being monetized by the illicit drug trade, NOT about guns. Take the guns away overnight and the dealers will continue to ply their illicit trade and control their territory with knives, clubs, and axes, exactly as tyrants always have for 100,000 years.

[Historic NY]

79. Chicago police have been undermanned for sometime now....

promotions not made, equipment not purchased, most work long extra hours. Then again its also political interference or the lack of involvement. There also seems to be a lack of Federal Gang Intervention in the city. Lots of talk and intervention programs which apparently are not steming the problem. While crime is down, gang related crime & violence is rising. There is an ongoing gang war on the streets and the gangs are bigger than the entire police force.

I live next to a small city with the highest per capita murder rate and again undermanned but they have combined efforts with other agencies and the FEd's along with funding to go in and blitz gangs. They have had a success rate in getting RICO conviction on gang leaders. Crime & gangs don't stop at cities borders and getting adjoining agencies into the mix makes this successful.

Of course there has to be the poliitcal will to do so.