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Omaha Steve

(99,506 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 07:52 PM Jul 2014

Arizona inmate dies belatedly in apparently botched execution

Source: LA Times

By MATT PEARCE AND MAYA SRIKRISHNAN

Officials said an Arizona inmate gasped and snorted for more than an hour until dying in an apparently botched execution Wednesday that is sure to reinvigorate the national debate over lethal injection in the United States.

The death of Joseph Rudolph Wood III was confirmed by the Arizona attorney general about two hours after the procedure began.

Wood had apparently stayed alive so long that his attorneys filed for an emergency stay after the lethal injection initially failed to kill him, according to a legal filing.

"The Arizona Department of Corrections began the execution of Joseph Rudolph Wood III at 1:52 p.m.," said the legal filing in federal court from public defender Jon M. Sands. "At 1:57 p.m ADC reported that Mr. Wood was sedated, but at 2:02 he began to breathe. At 2:03 his mouth moved. Mr. Wood has continued to breathe since that time. He has been gasping and snorting for more than an hour. At 3:02 p.m. At that time, staff rechecked for sedation. He is still alive."

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arizona-execution-20140723-story.html

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Arizona inmate dies belatedly in apparently botched execution (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2014 OP
"On Tuesday, the U.S. Supreme Court denied a separate plea by Wood to delay his execution Contrary1 Jul 2014 #1
Shameful dbackjon Jul 2014 #3
Worst Supreme court in history! Democrats_win Jul 2014 #80
Again? doxydad Jul 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #48
Two Hours... Blue Idaho Jul 2014 #4
I wonder how long his victims had unreadierLizard Jul 2014 #5
Don't get me wrong... Blue Idaho Jul 2014 #10
So, we should stoop down to his level?... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #23
Yes, I am wondering the same thing. RebelOne Jul 2014 #33
False appeal to bloodlust and vengence. blackspade Jul 2014 #36
I'd like to work up some sympathy for him, but I can't. mbperrin Jul 2014 #6
This isn't an issue of sympathy for him... Veilex Jul 2014 #12
Yes. candelista Jul 2014 #42
Short of breath falls a little short of torture. mbperrin Jul 2014 #68
MSNBC reported that he gasped for air 650 times... CoffeeCat Jul 2014 #75
"Short of breath falls a little short of torture" Veilex Jul 2014 #77
What if he was innocent as a number on death row have been? onehandle Jul 2014 #18
In addition, there was negligent torture. candelista Jul 2014 #43
Hardly torture. mbperrin Jul 2014 #73
"Short of breath"? candelista Jul 2014 #78
Several people who were there agreed that it was loud snoring, mbperrin Jul 2014 #84
So you believe the victims' lawyer. Ok. Your choice. :) candelista Jul 2014 #86
You can believe the killer's lawyers. YOUR choice. mbperrin Jul 2014 #88
You're right. All lawyers lie. candelista Jul 2014 #89
Even his own lawyers admit he did it, they just want to claim that he is ill. mbperrin Jul 2014 #70
That is pretty much where you shed your humanity. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #21
+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #24
+2000 nt Live and Learn Jul 2014 #49
So nothing is to be done about the dead ex-girlfriend and her dad? mbperrin Jul 2014 #71
"I'm not content to let killers of innocents prosper and be happy." Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #79
I have no sympathy for him. RebelOne Jul 2014 #34
Sympathy has nothing to do with it. candelista Jul 2014 #45
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #37
Euroweenies? nolabear Jul 2014 #44
Sympathy is not required. candelista Jul 2014 #47
Wow Euroweenies rpannier Jul 2014 #50
3-4 to leave your post Mosby Jul 2014 #83
Euroweenies. Is that word your creation? "They" deserve it. They're unAmerican. Judi Lynn Jul 2014 #54
Yahoo! Keep killin' folks to prove that murder is wrong! RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #7
We can put animals down LittleGirl Jul 2014 #8
My vet and I were just talking about this! Every vet has to do this most every day Tumbulu Jul 2014 #29
The sadistic fuckers are worred they'll go a bit TOO peacefully localroger Jul 2014 #32
+1 candelista Jul 2014 #60
Not again! How horrible! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #9
The mafia and the drug cartels can successfully execute people ripcord Jul 2014 #11
We should be out of it all together... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #25
Nothing 'apparently' botched about it, elleng Jul 2014 #13
The government has surrendered to the lowest, the worst among us. Judi Lynn Jul 2014 #14
Steven Wright might say, Doctor_J Jul 2014 #15
Inmate tortured to death in botched humane execution alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #17
Just to make it clear what took place in this disgusting case. herding cats Jul 2014 #16
TWO FUCKING HOURS Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #19
Oh, the poor guy. I wonder how his victims are doing? (nt) bigwillq Jul 2014 #20
Of course - it's great to be counted among BuddhaGirl Jul 2014 #22
They are dead. They were not tortured to death for two hours Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #26
The abyss is gazing back into you. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #27
Ever heard of cruel and unusual? Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #30
Murder is murder, and if you support it, you are as guilty of murder as he is (IMHO). nt Live and Learn Jul 2014 #51
Such an exceedingly dumb comment HERVEPA Jul 2014 #56
not resurrected, somehow--try more bloodlust! MisterP Jul 2014 #67
Woo hoo! MountainMama Jul 2014 #82
Can't these botched cases be taken to the UN bigdarryl Jul 2014 #28
Ahem. Ahem. EEO Jul 2014 #31
Disgusting. blackspade Jul 2014 #35
Torture, drones, collateral damage, war, and botched executions..... who are these people? grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #38
"New Democrats" blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #69
We need witnesses who record/film these proceedings. No Vested Interest Jul 2014 #39
It is situations like this that just strengthen my opposition to the death penalty davidpdx Jul 2014 #40
I wonder how much the attnys were exaggerating for their own political purpose. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #41
This would not be a story if the man had merely been sleeping. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2014 #46
I don't know if that is true Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #55
Kind of like when state reps in AZ deny that prisoners are mistreated rpannier Jul 2014 #52
These were not state reps making the statements Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #57
Not like they don't have a bias of any kind rpannier Jul 2014 #58
Ummm....as do his attorneys Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #59
Yep. Hopefully it does rpannier Jul 2014 #61
She wanted vengence herding cats Jul 2014 #63
I was shocked to hear the victim's family's comments. Democrats_win Jul 2014 #81
When are we going to PUT.AN.END to this barbaric insanity?!? lastlib Jul 2014 #53
When? Never, as long as we continue to confuse punishment with revenge. Pogue Jul 2014 #64
The RW is spamming the Yahoo News story on this. candelista Jul 2014 #62
Doesn't "botched" imply that it didn't work? PeteSelman Jul 2014 #65
Where the hell are they buying this shit? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2014 #66
Reading all the bloodlust here makes me think FreeRepublik must be down tonight. blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #72
Republicans are so excited over killing someone they disregard the Constitution. Kablooie Jul 2014 #74
have any famous celebs professed their solidarity with Joseph? quadrature Jul 2014 #76
every time I hear "botched execution," I think about the sadistic guard in THE GREEN MILE yurbud Jul 2014 #85
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #87

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
1. "On Tuesday, the U.S. Supreme Court denied a separate plea by Wood to delay his execution
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jul 2014

until the state turned over detailed information on the drugs that would be used during his execution and on the qualifications of his execution team."

Now, they will need to delay all of them.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
80. Worst Supreme court in history!
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jul 2014

If these were really wise people worthy of their positions, they would stop all of these executions until the problem is fixed. With corporate personhood and these cruel executions, the Roberts court surpasses the Dred Scott court. At least the Dred Scott court made the worst mistake ever, only once. This court keeps doing it over and over again. They're the worst.

The states are trying to get by on the cheap and they're making a poor showing for America. America was once a great technological country; can't we get anything right? Show some pride in our country and perform these executions with some professionalism. (Yeah, we can hate the death penalty, but if they're going to do it, do it right!)

We can't blame people--DUers or the victim's families-- for wrongly overlooking the fact that this was cruel if the Court Jesters won't get off their asses and do something!



Response to doxydad (Reply #2)

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
5. I wonder how long his victims had
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jul 2014

"Wood, 55, was sentenced to death in 1991 for the August 1989 shooting deaths of his estranged girlfriend, Debra Dietz, and her father, Eugene Dietz, in Tucson"

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
10. Don't get me wrong...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

I suspect he is an evil dude and if a state has a death penalty - he likely deserved it. After all, he was tried and sentenced in a court of law. But... The state has an obligation to perform its duties with dispassion and dispatch according to the eight Ammendment to the constitution. What a state does - it does in the name of all of its citizens. I would hope that would exclude anything that may smack of torture. Frankly I would expect the same from a vet putting down a rabid dog. This is not the time nor the place for the government to apply "an eye for an eye" revenge. If we go down that road we are no better than the animals that comit these crimes.

Finally - I can think of no other method of execution that takes two hours. There must be a reason for that.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
23. So, we should stoop down to his level?...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jul 2014

The Constitution doesn't say you aren't protected from cruel and unusual punishment if you did crime (fill in the blank).

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
36. False appeal to bloodlust and vengence.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:50 PM
Jul 2014

The punishment should be about justice, not revenge.
If not, then by all means let's go back to bloodfeuds, wergeld, and honor killings.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
6. I'd like to work up some sympathy for him, but I can't.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jul 2014

He shot and killed his ex-girlfriend and her father.

This is where my populist side overrules my progressive side.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
12. This isn't an issue of sympathy for him...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jul 2014

its about not abiding inhumane treatment on behalf of the justice system or the rest of us.
In short: We don't believe in torture...and yet, that's exactly what ended up happening here.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
68. Short of breath falls a little short of torture.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jul 2014

I've been wanting to bring back the guillotine for the longest (seriously),

Instant and sure.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
75. MSNBC reported that he gasped for air 650 times...
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jul 2014

…in those two hours.

I'd say that's pretty horrific, and surely was torture.

I don't believe in the death penalty. However, if we are going to do this, it can't be done in a haphazard, reckless way.

The problem is that this cocktail of drugs is ineffective. It is not supposed to take two hours to kill a person. This is not supposed to happen. This is a major fuck up.

That's the problem.

The company that makes the drugs that we used to use for executions, was purchased by an Italian company. The Italian company has forbid exports of the drugs to the US, because they are opposed to the death penalty and do not want the drugs being used to kill people in the US. So, we invented our own lethal cocktail. Problem is, it's not effective. It's a failure.

That needs fixing, pronto.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
77. "Short of breath falls a little short of torture"
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:09 AM
Jul 2014

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you... I have asthma... shortness of breath absolutely is torturous.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
18. What if he was innocent as a number on death row have been?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jul 2014

The kill people penalty is blind justice.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
78. "Short of breath"?
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 10:16 AM
Jul 2014

He gasped for air 600 times and gulped like a fish for almost 2 hours. But if you enjoy that sort of thing, I guess that's your taste in executions.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
84. Several people who were there agreed that it was loud snoring,
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:48 AM
Jul 2014

which is caused by restricted air flow. Yes, short of breath.

HIS lawyer called it gasping for breath. And his lawyers agree that he was guilty, so there's no chance of executing the wrong person in this case. Plus he took a cruel jab at the family right at the end, saying that HE forgave THEM.

My choice in executions would be the guillotine; never fails, instant, no pain whatever.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
88. You can believe the killer's lawyers. YOUR choice.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jul 2014

After all, WHY would HE exaggerate?

Yeah, I can't think of a reason, either.

Even the killer's lawyer admits he did the crime, he just doesn't want him executed for it. Or anyone else, for any reason.

No agenda there.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
70. Even his own lawyers admit he did it, they just want to claim that he is ill.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:54 AM
Jul 2014

Not blind, and there have been a few innocents on death row, but a whole lot more innocent people have been killed by criminals than that number.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
71. So nothing is to be done about the dead ex-girlfriend and her dad?
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:56 AM
Jul 2014

He shed his humanity when he killed two innocent people.

And you know what? If that claim about me shedding my humanity is meant to stick, I'll just have to work with it.

I'm not content to let killers of innocents prosper and be happy.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
79. "I'm not content to let killers of innocents prosper and be happy."
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jul 2014

WTF? nobody is suggesting that. What we are suggesting is that state executions are barbaric, that they are error prone, that when we fuck up and execute the wrong person or, as in this case, completely botch an execution and torture a person to death for two hours, there is no way to undo that, it is an irredeemable offense that harms our entire society. We are alone among the north atlantic community of democracies in continuing this idiocy.

The alternative to this madness is not " let killers of innocents prosper and be happy", it is to stop killing them.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
34. I have no sympathy for him.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jul 2014

Why does the U.S. not use a quicker method such as a shot to the head? At least it is less painful and the condemned doesn't know what hit him.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
45. Sympathy has nothing to do with it.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jul 2014

Even if you hate someone, you still shouldn't torture him. And that's what this was. Negligent torture. Someone could have shot him up with 5 grains of morphine. And that would be enough to do the job. They had an hour and forty five minutes get a court order. And they didn't do it.

Response to mbperrin (Reply #6)

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
50. Wow Euroweenies
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jul 2014

You're quite a guy
Douche is more like it

If you think torturing to death someone is going tochange the mind of Europe you're sadly mistaken
They'll continue to let America fall down the dark rabbit hole it created for itself.
Here's hoping that those who fall land on you

Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
54. Euroweenies. Is that word your creation? "They" deserve it. They're unAmerican.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:02 PM
Jul 2014

Good idea mocking "them". They are so pretentious, aren't they? Always puttin' on airs. Thank goodness you got their number.

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RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
7. Yahoo! Keep killin' folks to prove that murder is wrong!
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jul 2014

Makes total sense.



I sure wish we weren't such a vengeful country.

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
29. My vet and I were just talking about this! Every vet has to do this most every day
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jul 2014

it is not rocket science.

This must be deliberate as it sure is easy for vets to figure out that the sedation is not adequate and then up the amount prior to injecting the barbituates that actually kill the pateint.

localroger

(3,622 posts)
32. The sadistic fuckers are worred they'll go a bit TOO peacefully
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jul 2014

The reason they don't use opiates, which are very reliable, is they don't want anybody to think the perps got high before going to "sleep." Rules out several of the most effective alternatives.

ripcord

(5,284 posts)
11. The mafia and the drug cartels can successfully execute people
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jul 2014

but our government fails at it, maybe they should get out of the business.

Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
14. The government has surrendered to the lowest, the worst among us.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:52 PM
Jul 2014

The man who was executed the long way undoubtedly would have been one of those who wanted to whoop it up hearing some other guy who murdered someone was tortured to death for two hours.

A civilized country would never have any room in it for sadistic crap like this.

Life is far too short to spend it plotting, scheming how to punish others to the max, and going orgasmic when they "get what's comin' to them."

There is a deeper, and higher purpose here and now, than wallowing in revenge fantasies. That's what got this Dead American where he is tonight.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. Steven Wright might say,
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:53 PM
Jul 2014

"If the inmate dies, was the execution really botched?"

Or one of Leno's ironic headlines might read "Inmate dies in botched execution". Well then, what would have happened if it hadn't been botched?

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
16. Just to make it clear what took place in this disgusting case.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 08:56 PM
Jul 2014
Court lifts stay in lethal injection challenge (UPDATED)

(UPDATED July 23, 2014: This morning the Court denied another request by Wood to stay his execution. Wood had asked the Court to review a decision by the Ninth Circuit which affirmed the district court’s denial of the motion that he had filed pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 60(b)(6); the Court also denied that petition for certiorari.)

Last week a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit granted a request by an Arizona death-row inmate, Joseph Wood, to postpone his execution (scheduled for tomorrow) until he receives information regarding the state’s plans to execute him by lethal injection. The court of appeals stayed the execution until Arizona provided Wood with “the name and provenance of the drugs to be used” and the “qualifications of the medical personnel” who would carry out the execution. Yesterday the en banc Ninth Circuit declined to step in, instead leaving the panel’s stay order in effect. That denial drew a sharp dissent from (among others) Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who wrote that he had “little doubt that the Supreme Court will thwart this latest attempt to interfere with the State of Arizona’s efforts to carry out its lawful sentence and bring Wood to justice.”

Kozinski’s words proved prophetic, as this evening the Supreme Court granted the state’s request to vacate the temporary stay ordered by the Ninth Circuit. The Court also denied Wood’s request for a stay of execution, along with his petition for certiorari. Although the requests originally went to Justice Anthony Kennedy, the Justice responsible for (among other things) stay requests from the geographic area of the Ninth Circuit, which includes Arizona, Justice Kennedy – as the Justices often do – referred the requests to the whole Court, and there were no dissents or separate statements from any of the Justices regarding the Court’s actions tonight. The basis for the Court’s ruling was that the district court had not abused its discretion in denying a stay, so conceivably the result would have been different if Wood had won in both lower courts. But the dearth of dissents suggests not.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/07/court-lifts-stay-in-lethal-injection-challenge/


BuddhaGirl

(3,599 posts)
22. Of course - it's great to be counted among
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jul 2014

nations such as Iran, China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia etc. etc.

USA! USA! USA!

Omaha Steve

(99,506 posts)
30. Ever heard of cruel and unusual?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jul 2014

Bah. Humbug. You want individual states to be just as guilty as the condemned!

EEO

(1,620 posts)
31. Ahem. Ahem.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jul 2014
AMENDMENT VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


That would be the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution many of the same supporters of the death penalty pretend they defend.

Oh, and I believe every country in Europe except like Belarus has a ban on the death penalty. Canada too. This country is a militarized oligarchy. And that oligarchy has decided to imprison a large minority of American citizens and has now decided it will conduct human experiments using a bunch of different drug cocktails to kill citizens.

No Vested Interest

(5,164 posts)
39. We need witnesses who record/film these proceedings.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jul 2014

These "experiments" need to be shown for what they are.
Let the world decide if they are peaceful.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
40. It is situations like this that just strengthen my opposition to the death penalty
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jul 2014

The sad thing is Arizona will not learn their lesson and will continue to execute people.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
41. I wonder how much the attnys were exaggerating for their own political purpose.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:21 PM
Jul 2014

I heard a radio interview with one of the victim's family members who witnessed the execution. She said there was no gasping for air. She said he was snoring.

Makes you wonder.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
55. I don't know if that is true
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jul 2014

It is a story because the attorneys went to the press and because it took him 2 hours to die. Whether he suffered depends on the source.

And there are plenty of "scandals" that are stories that should not be...IRS...

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
52. Kind of like when state reps in AZ deny that prisoners are mistreated
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jul 2014

That probably makes you wonder too

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
61. Yep. Hopefully it does
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jul 2014

I will add this

An Arizona Republic journalist who witnessed the execution said he counted the inmate gasping for breath about 660 times.

"I just know it was not efficient," said the reporter, Michael Kiefer. "It took a long time."

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
63. She wanted vengence
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:40 PM
Jul 2014
Jeanne Brown, sister of Debra Dietz and daughter of Eugene Dietz, both Wood's murder victims, witnessed the execution. She said it sounded more like Wood was snoring than gasping for air.

"What I saw with him today being executed -- this was nothing," she said.

Brown said what Wood experienced Wednesday did not compare to the pain her family has suffered for the past 25 years.

"You don't know what excruciating is -- seeing your dad lying there in a pool of blood ... This man deserved it," she said. "And I shouldn't call him a man. He deserved everything he had coming to him."

Her husband, Richard Brown, scolded the media for what he perceived as more compassion for a convicted killer than the true victims and their surviving family.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2014/07/23/arizona-execution-botched/13070677/

She wanted him to suffer and she was very happy he did. That still doesn't make it right.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
81. I was shocked to hear the victim's family's comments.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jul 2014

Of course we must be understanding of their feelings but they deserve justice not vengeance.

If the Supreme Joke isn't professional and the state leaders show no professionalism, I guess we can't expect the family to show restraint and say, "No comment."

What would God do? The story of Moses parting the Red Sea tells how the Israelites cheered at the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army. They were quickly reprimanded and told that God is sad that they had to be killed. (I guess the soldiers were really just doing their jobs.) No more cheering. If something wrong happens to you, should you cheer when something wrong happens to someone else?

It's a tough sell to a family that did suffer quite a bit, but that's why people PRACTICE their religion. Practice to remain righteous and not sin. Yeah, as if today's organized religions are even capable of that! The whole thing is shocking and disappointing.

lastlib

(23,167 posts)
53. When are we going to PUT.AN.END to this barbaric insanity?!?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jul 2014

It is past time that we say to the world, "We are not going to kill any more."!

Pogue

(2 posts)
64. When? Never, as long as we continue to confuse punishment with revenge.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jul 2014

Unfortunately, many don't care about the confusion because revenge is just fine with them. As unfortunate is the fact that many of those who recognize the confusion simply throw up their hands because effecting the change is "too hard."

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
66. Where the hell are they buying this shit?
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jul 2014

I have visions of some sketchy drug dealer in a motel room tearing open China Post bubble mailers and cutting this shit with hand sanitizer or something.

Kablooie

(18,612 posts)
74. Republicans are so excited over killing someone they disregard the Constitution.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:03 AM
Jul 2014

Even our Supreme Court ignores the prohibition of inflicting cruel and unusual punishments because the opportunity to kill someone is much more important to them than doing their job of upholding the Constitution.
That's why Republicans want wars all the time.
People will be killed and maimed and it's just great fun and a delight to know that it's happening.

As long as it isn't happening to them.



yurbud

(39,405 posts)
85. every time I hear "botched execution," I think about the sadistic guard in THE GREEN MILE
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:56 AM
Jul 2014

who's supposed to wet the sponge that goes in the skullcap so the guy getting electrocuted is killed more quickly, but he only pretends to do it so the execution will take longer.

Right wingers are not really on board with the whole "cruel and unusual" being a bad thing.

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