US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP-Excite

By MATTHEW LEE and JULIE PACE

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration pushed back strongly Monday at a torrent of Israeli criticism over Secretary of State John Kerry's latest bid to secure a cease-fire with Hamas, accusing some in Israel of launching a "misinformation campaign" against the top American diplomat.

"It's simply not the way partners and allies treat each other," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

Her comments were echoed by the White House, where National Security Adviser Susan Rice said the U.S. was "dismayed" by mischaracterizations of Kerry's efforts. Israeli media reports have cast Kerry as seeking a cease-fire that is more favorable to Hamas and being dismissive of key Israeli concerns.

Kerry himself, in a speech to the Center for American Progress, noted the criticism but did not give ground.

FULL story at link.


Secretary of State John Kerry leaves after speaking at a news conference at the State Department in Washington, Monday, July 28, 2014, about the 2013 Annual Report on International Religious Freedom. The U.S. says millions of people were forced from their homes because of their religious beliefs last year. (AP Photo/Cliff Owen)



Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140728/us-united-states-israel-78cea97eed.html

[mwrguy]

1. Fuck Israel

Kerry had my support in 2004 and he has it now.

[Hugabear]

10. ^^^ This

Too many people act as if Israel were the 51st state.

[shawn703]

16. Too many people treat Israel like a corporation with most of our gov't in their back pocket

Let's be fair, people don't dance around trying to make sure they don't piss off one of the states.

[LoisB]

20. People act as if the U.S. is a suburb of Israel. I say 'eff em. I stand totally behind

Secretary Kerry. I have been sick, for a long time, of Israel calling the shots in this country. Time for our government to stop kissing Bibi's behind.

[Tom Ripley]

40. +1000

[YvonneCa]

2. I support Sec. Kerry. n/t

[mylye2222]

32. Go Sec. Kerry.

Big support from me as well.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Care to go it alone, Bibi?

I didn't think so.............

[blm]

13. Bibi doesn't WANT an honest broker like Kerry, he wants his puppets at the table.

.

[Comrade Grumpy]

15. Neither the US nor the secretary of state is an "honest broker."

Our government clearly and unequivocally supports one side in this conflict. And puts its money where its mouth is.

[blm]

23. You don't know Kerry.

He's the most honest broker for that region we could have.

[mylye2222]

33. Many people dont want to know Kerry

They prefer lazzyly to feel confortable with old false flags and swiftboating towards the Secretary since décades. ..

[freshwest]

22. +1

[wordpix]

37. UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt support Israel in this fight

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/israels-war-gaza-backed-arab-regimes-1641015127

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4463/palestinians-arabs-betrayed-us

snip: Sheikh Ekremah Sabri, the former mufti of Jerusalem who currently serves as a leading preacher of Al-Aqsa Mosque, claimed that the three wars waged by Israel against Hamas have been "coordinated" with the Arab countries.

Sheikh Sabri went on to claim that some Arabs have even covered the expenses of the Israeli military operations. snip

Bibi is not going it alone with or without the US involved.

[Uncle Joe]

4. The Congress undercut Kerry with their political decision to unanimously back Israel when

there was no need for it.

It sent the message of giving Netanyahu's government a blank check.

Since when has anyone ever doubted than any nation shouldn't have the right to defend itself?

By going on record with such a redundant proclamation, the U.S. hamstrung itself as being an honest broker in trying to evaluate the evidence, determine what was just and negotiate a peaceful resolution with both the Palestinians and the Israelis.

The Palestinians don't trust us and the Israelis believe we will back them no matter what, right or wrong.

Thanks for the thread, Omaha Steve.

[sheshe2]

5. KnR for SOS Kerry! eom

[McCamy Taylor]

6. Kerry is Catholic, isn't he? I suspect some in Israel were prepared to distrust him for this reason

before he said or did anything. Meaning, no matter what he does, it will be "the wrong thing" to some.

[regnaD kciN]

12. Actually, Kerry has more Jewish ancestry than Catholic...

I remember that the issue came up during the 2004 campaign.

[former9thward]

19. It will be "the wrong thing" no matter what Israel does to some.

Because of their religion?

[crim son]

21. For "some."

The rest of us couldn't care less what religion they practice in Israel but are extremely concerned about their long-term territorial ambitions and what/who they're willing to destroy as they proceed.

[srican69]

7. Israel is a like a spoil brat who throws a temper tantrum if they don't get a shiny new toy

each time for eating their Oreo cookies.

[bigwillq]

8. We need to stop giving money to Israel

and cut any and all ties to that region.

[DeSwiss]

9. Somebody's upset?

- That old bad-ass kid of ours is going-off in the cereal aisle again, ain't he? Demanding that he get the sweet-sweet honey-coated, sugary kind of Crunchy-Cash-Flakes with the sparkles or he's gonna hold his breath until he turns blue.

Or starts killing anyone and everyone he sees. No exceptions.


Here, have a rest if you feel faint.




We created the monster, so you can't bitch when he bites you...........

[hrmjustin]

11. k and r for Kerry.

[Comrade Grumpy]

14. But will do jack shit about it. Except give Israel more billions to kill Palestinians.

[Scarsdale]

17. Aid

Cut the aid, we could use it in THIS country. McCain and Graham will piss and moan anyway, so give them something to jaw about.

[Fred Sanders]

18. The Israeli media is not the Israeli government, but what a revelation as to who controls that media

The avoidance of a good question asked of Bibi's slick media mouthpiece by Wolf Blitzer as to the official Israeli response to the Kerry ceasefire plan was greeted by any avoidance of any follow up to the question being so obviously avoided.

CNN and Blitzer, willing propaganda media agents of Israel in America.

Should have also asked if Israel has stopped spying on America yet, and how many nuclear munitions they have......in another universe they would of course be asked. But propaganda is propaganda, just be aware of it.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

24. "Very senior officials in Jerusalem described the proposal that Kerry put on the table as a

'strategic terrorist attack.'" (from the article at the link)

Whoa. I hadn't read this story. I did hear on CNN today that Kerry's proposed plan was nearly identical to a plan previously approved by the Israeli government. Something tells me there's a little back and forth behind the scenes that we're not hearing. I think that ever since Obama came to office, some in the Israeli government have been a bit paranoid about whether his administration is really with them. In fact, Israel is probably constantly afraid that the U.S. will one day turn off the spigot of aid and diplomatic backing at the UN. France used to be Israel's closest ally. France was one of the first nations to recognize Israel. They supplied most of the arms and weapons keeping Israel secure in the early days of the Jewish state, including the French Mirages that made up Israel's Air force, selling them "at cost". There's little doubt that Israel has a nuclear bomb and they got it through France, that built Israel's first nuclear research reactor and that gave Israel unfettered access to the data from all their nuclear bomb tests in the south Pacific. Israel and France fought a war as allies in the Suez incident, when French and Israeli troops invaded Egypt together (it was the U.S. and the Soviet Union that moved in warships off the coast and ordered them to stop, or else). That was at a time when France (which doesn't have its own oil) had the oil-producing Algeria. When deGaulle withdrew from Algeria and chose to back Arabs in the region (it's always about the oil, it seems) it may have contributed to Israel's paranoia about former friends pulling the rug out from under them. I wouldn't be surprised that some in the Israeli government would discuss what would happen if the U.S. suddenly stopped the aid and support. Calling Kerry a terrorist has got to indicate more than we are seeing or hearing. That's an astonishing statement.

[Roy Serohz]

25. Cut 'em off

Not one more fucking dime until we see regime change in Israel.

[mylye2222]

34. Hillary does it too.

But we know for some that Hillary has rhis habit ti collude with neocons and trashing JK for her political gain. They esiest way to hide her non risk taking tenure at State.

[Reter]

29. The only war I would ever support would be the US against Israel

That would be a beautiful thing.

[freshwest]

36. Not advisable to push that CT here, it's against the TOS of DU.

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When I wrote CT, this is what I am referring to, although I enjoy a good yarn myself:

Don't go overboard with the crazy talk :

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Your post was likely hidden by DUers you call 'utra pro Israël posters' who do not really fit your description, but know the TOS agreed to join DU.

That hidden post is now in the hands of the Admins, who review hidden posts for TOS violations. They have record of your post here calling it a joke and warning your fellow DUers, along with all your other posts.

Violating the TOS is more serious than getting a post hidden. Just in case you hadn't reviewed the TOS, here is the link:

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Just a gentle reminder. Of course you are free to post what you feel you need to say, but there are consequences. I appreciate very much your defense of JK and would like to see more posts from you.

BTW, I wasn't on your jury, don't have the full story of the Alert, the opinion of the Jurors, or even the full content or the context of the post itself.

[Inuca]

39. That would be an incredibly stupid thing

as is, no offense, saying it.

[MisterP]

30. $5B angry?

[quadrature]

31. meanwhile...ISIS is blowing up historic mosques in Mosul ...

but apparently, that is not important to most people.
more important, I guess, is that some
handout-newspaper in Tel Aviv does not like Kerry.

[closeupready]

38. Netanyahu is playing America for a fool.

And I consider myself both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine, by the way.