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Omaha Steve

(99,609 posts)
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:10 PM Jan 2015

TSARNAEV LAWYERS: SUSPEND JURY SELECTION OVER PARIS ATTACKS

Source: AP

BY DENISE LAVOIE

BOSTON (AP) -- Lawyers for Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev asked a judge on Tuesday to suspend jury selection in his trial for at least a month because the recent terrorist attacks in France have again placed the marathon bombings "at the center of a grim global drama."

The lawyers said a delay would allow some time "for the extraordinary prejudice flowing from these events - and the comparison of those events to those at issue in this case - to diminish."

They said potential jurors have been instructed to avoid media reports about Tsarnaev's case, but were exposed to reports about the French attacks. Jury selection began last week.

"Almost immediately after the attacks, the press, politicians, and commentators drew parallels between the French attacks and the Boston Marathon bombing," the lawyers wrote.

FULL story at link.


AP Photo/Jane Flavell Collins

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TSARNAEV LAWYERS: SUSPEND JURY SELECTION OVER PARIS ATTACKS (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2015 OP
Kinda agree with the defense here alcibiades_mystery Jan 2015 #1
Sure, it's not like the victims and their families are looking for closure here or anything. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #2
Closure seems to be another word for vengeance. lastlib Jan 2015 #8
He'll get a fair trial even if it starts tomorrow. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #9
What if he is acquitted or found not guilty by reason of insanity? treestar Jan 2015 #12
I will accept the jury's verdict. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #13
If the delay is decided by the courts treestar Jan 2015 #20
We're coming up on the 2 year anniversary of his indictment. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #22
The delay is not for the sake of delay treestar Jan 2015 #23
I disagree, but that's like... my opinion, man. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #25
He isn't insane. LisaL Jan 2015 #17
Not the point. treestar Jan 2015 #21
The point is, judge/jury can not consider the "insantiy" defense if defense isn't requesting it. LisaL Jan 2015 #27
Not long before France, there was the horrific school assault in Pakistan Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #3
This is a defense tactic, IMO. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #7
Agree, it's pathetic marions ghost Jan 2015 #29
I don't see it happening, the defense is really looking silly now. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #6
The prosecutors would be correct marions ghost Jan 2015 #30
Why nampv Jan 2015 #4
The article explains why. eom. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #5
read the article uppityperson Jan 2015 #14
For my part, I don't that's necessary Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #10
In the effort of justice, I agree with this tactic. Fearless Jan 2015 #11
Well sure, th attacks in Paris have given terrorism a bad name... Thor_MN Jan 2015 #15
Just to think that terrorsim had such a good reputation before the attack in Paris. LisaL Jan 2015 #18
"Today, 95 year old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was convicted of terrorism related charges christx30 Jan 2015 #19
It's very similar treestar Jan 2015 #24
You can consider the question all you want. LisaL Jan 2015 #26
Good. 840high Jan 2015 #28
Good idea, because the attack in Paris will be the last terrorist attack ever, olddad56 Jan 2015 #16
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
1. Kinda agree with the defense here
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jan 2015

Dude's not going anywhere. I don't see how a month to let things cool really hurts anyone.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
2. Sure, it's not like the victims and their families are looking for closure here or anything.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jan 2015

Why not. What are the odds there'll be another similar international-news-making attack in the next month.

lastlib

(23,220 posts)
8. Closure seems to be another word for vengeance.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jan 2015

By giving the guy a fair trial, we can demonstrate to the world that we really are above the terrorists and not the great satan they try to protray. Tsarnaev has a reservation at the Hotel Leavenworth with his name on it, how much difference does it really make when he actually checks in?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. He'll get a fair trial even if it starts tomorrow.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jan 2015

"how much difference does it really make when he actually checks in?"

Again, I defer to the victims. I have a preference, but not a conviction.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. What if he is acquitted or found not guilty by reason of insanity?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jan 2015

The trial isn't just for show.

The victims decide nothing. We have a legal system to avoid vigilantism.



AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. I will accept the jury's verdict.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jan 2015

I expect the sentence, if any, to be commensurate with any crime he may be convicted of.


My comment is aimed at the original poster that didn't perceive a delay "hurts anyone.". I can think of many parties further aggrieved by delay.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. If the delay is decided by the courts
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jan 2015

it is to preserve a fair trial. That's the justice system's number one value.

And it ought to remain that way, instead of trying to make it about the victims, a recent trend. Their emotions may be important, but should not interfere with a fair trial for any accused. Where the victim is not a witness, their emotional state should not be so important that the rules of fairness in deciding guilt or innocence should be compromised.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
22. We're coming up on the 2 year anniversary of his indictment.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jan 2015

I don't think anyone can be fairly accused of rushing the trial at the expense of a fair trial for the accused.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
25. I disagree, but that's like... my opinion, man.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jan 2015

And I accept that.

This seems a convenient defense tactic, to me. If that's the bar for calming things down for a fair trial, the trial will never complete.

I guess last June-July were pretty quiet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. He isn't insane.
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jan 2015

As far as I can tell, "not guilty by reason of insanity" defense isn't even an option.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
27. The point is, judge/jury can not consider the "insantiy" defense if defense isn't requesting it.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jan 2015

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
3. Not long before France, there was the horrific school assault in Pakistan
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jan 2015

And then there are other killings in other venues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Peshawar_school_massacre

There's usually publicity for a Western-hostage killing by Isis.

Then there's international debate about the occasional mass murder of villagers or army/police as ISIS moves into an area. If there's going to be an effect, I would say the Dec. 16th school assault would be the most prejudicial, because there children were explicitly targeted.

If you let this claim succeed, when will jury selection resume?

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
7. This is a defense tactic, IMO.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jan 2015

and I see it failing badly.

I see alcibiades_mystery's point, but I don't think it will succeed. The defense looks rather pathetic is they are using international happening to prevent the case from going forward.

having said that, I understand they are going to try everything they can to stop this from going to court.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
29. Agree, it's pathetic
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jan 2015

creative legal maneuvering that probably really isn't about the Paris incident at all.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
6. I don't see it happening, the defense is really looking silly now.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jan 2015

They tried a similar tactic 2 weeks ago:

Judge Denies Request To Delay, Move Boston Marathon Bombing Trial

The lawyers, in their appeal to the higher court, again argued Tsarnaev couldn’t receive a fair trial in the Boston federal courthouse a couple of miles from where the bombing occurred. Prosecutors, they said, were likely to depict the crimes as having affected not only those killed and injured but nearly the entire greater Boston community.
“Thus, every member of the jury pool is, in effect, an actual victim of the charged offenses,” the defense attorneys wrote.



marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
30. The prosecutors would be correct
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

in depicting the crimes as having injured the greater Boston community.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
10. For my part, I don't that's necessary
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jan 2015

Mr. Tsarnaev was not in Paris last week and can't be held responsible for what happened there.

On the hand, there are many people for whom guilt by association is a normal part of thinking. Such people, I suspect, have been listening to too much political "debate." Furthermore, I suspect it mostly comes from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh or FoxNews.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
11. In the effort of justice, I agree with this tactic.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jan 2015

It doesn't matter that he isn't related to it, it is a way to sway jurors potentially.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
15. Well sure, th attacks in Paris have given terrorism a bad name...
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:36 AM
Jan 2015
Have to have time to let the current negative connotations with terrorism subside.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
18. Just to think that terrorsim had such a good reputation before the attack in Paris.
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 02:33 AM
Jan 2015

Considering that terrorist attacks happened so frequently, if he is allowed a delay based on this, the trial might never take place.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
19. "Today, 95 year old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was convicted of terrorism related charges
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:12 AM
Jan 2015

stemming from the 2013 Boston Marathon bombings. He was sentenced to 150 years incarceration. Mr. Tsarnaev was immediately rushed to a near-by hospital under armed guard, where he died."
---- Boston Herald, October 4th, 2088

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. It's very similar
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jan 2015

Two brothers who ran from the scene (rather than staging the suicide right there).

They aren't trying it over the Nigerian attacks or any others.

At least people should consider the question rather than bringing up these red herrings.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
16. Good idea, because the attack in Paris will be the last terrorist attack ever,
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:54 AM
Jan 2015

so in a month, they can get on with the trial.

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