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Omaha Steve

(99,590 posts)
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:50 PM Jan 2015

RESIDENTS WANT CHARGES FOR DENVER OFFICERS WHO KILLED TEEN

Source: AP

BY SADIE GURMAN

DENVER (AP) -- Some residents are calling for a special prosecutor to investigate the Denver officers who shot and killed a 16-year-old girl who police say hit an officer with a stolen car.

They plan to rally outside the office of District Attorney Mitch Morrissey on Tuesday morning. Morrissey's office normally decides whether to file charges in police shootings but many don't trust it to handle the case because officers are rarely charged.

The calls for a special inquiry come a day after several dozen people with candles and protest signs gathered near the scene of the shooting to demand answers about the deadly encounter and remember the girl identified by friends as Jessica Hernandez.

"We're angry about it. It's another life taken by another cop," 19-year-old Cynthia Valdez, a close friend and schoolmate of Hernandez's, said at the vigil Monday night. "She was trying to find her talent. She wanted to find out what she wanted to be. ... Who knows what she could have been?"

FULL story at link.



Cynthia Valdez raises her arm at left while Rev. Terrence Hughes, right in hat, leads people in prayer during a vigil near the scene of the early morning fatal shooting of a young woman who hit and injured a Denver Police Department officer while driving a stolen vehicle Monday, Jan. 26, 2015, in northeast Denver. Valdez said that she was a friend of the woman who was shot by police in the incident. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

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RESIDENTS WANT CHARGES FOR DENVER OFFICERS WHO KILLED TEEN (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2015 OP
Not a chance in hell there are charges FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #1
Stop, don't stop, raise your hands, don't raise your hands, go to Yale, don't go to Yale - jtuck004 Jan 2015 #2
If the car was stolen and she hit the cop with it, what should be the result? Orrex Jan 2015 #4
You hand that death penalty out pretty easily to a scared 16 year old. Unburdened by humanity, jtuck004 Jan 2015 #5
I asked for an alternative response and you gave none. Interesting. Orrex Jan 2015 #6
The appropriate response is for a society to quit killing black folk so readily, quit jtuck004 Jan 2015 #7
That's what society should do. What should have been done in this specific case? Orrex Jan 2015 #8
I'll answer..... CANDO Jan 2015 #14
And then they'll be in a high speed pursuit NickB79 Jan 2015 #16
For that they need to die? CANDO Jan 2015 #17
Any proof she hit the officer? Ash_F Jan 2015 #15
If the article is correct, then she tried to run them over. No charges. 7962 Jan 2015 #3
The story I heard was she got out of the car to run and did not put the car in park. Bandit Jan 2015 #9
That version cant be true, according to the reports of the people looking out their windows 7962 Jan 2015 #10
I thought she was 17? snooper2 Jan 2015 #11
Seriously? A stolen car? So she was trying to decide to be a car thief or a ... So. Cal Congressman vkkv Jan 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #13
An investigation is a good idea, kiva Jan 2015 #18

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
1. Not a chance in hell there are charges
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jan 2015

If someone uses a car to run into police, the car is considered a weapon.

There won't be charges and, if the police account is correct, nor should there be any charges.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. Stop, don't stop, raise your hands, don't raise your hands, go to Yale, don't go to Yale -
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

What, exactly, is the return? Stopping for uniformed people who might kill you anyway...

From your perch atop your high horse of self righteousness you seem to have condemned this behavior, as if you are the keeper of the "List of things not to do".

But the "List of things that are supposed to keep you safe" seems just as deadly.

Ironic.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
4. If the car was stolen and she hit the cop with it, what should be the result?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jan 2015

From the information at hand, this story sounds very different from cases in which police summarily execute black men and women in the street.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. You hand that death penalty out pretty easily to a scared 16 year old. Unburdened by humanity,
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:31 PM
Jan 2015

I guess, and cocksure about the result.

If that's a useful philosophy, maybe they should use flamethrowers, really send a message.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
6. I asked for an alternative response and you gave none. Interesting.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jan 2015
You hand that death penalty out pretty easily to a scared 16 year old. Unburdened by humanity,

I guess, and cocksure about the result.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you normally answer questions with a blustering sermon and a heap of judgment? That's fucked up.


To restate the question: What is the appropriate response when a stolen car is being used as a deadly weapon?




 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
7. The appropriate response is for a society to quit killing black folk so readily, quit
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jan 2015

coming up with justifications like yours so quickly to administer the death penalty like it was delivering pizza.

We can excuse Americans killing others illegally with torture, excuse donors to political campaigns for using predatory lending to detroy the lives of millions of our neighbors, but we can't seem to come up with an excuse for a kid who may not have needed to die.

How about you just write to someone else. I'm gonna go take a shower.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
8. That's what society should do. What should have been done in this specific case?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jan 2015

Your refusal to answer the question as asked is basically an admission that you don't have an answer, and that you simply want to preach about how high-minded you are.

Issuing a proclamation about the evils of society is not an appropriate response to a life-threatening situation in real time. If your house were burning down, would that be the time for someone to lecture you on the evils of keeping oil-soaked rags? No, of course not; you put out the fire and then deal with the larger issue.

coming up with justifications like yours so quickly to administer the death penalty like it was delivering pizza.
That's bullshit, and if you're comfortable rolling in such bullshit, then...

I'm gonna go take a shower.
If you're comfortable rolling in such bullshit, then you probably need it.
 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
14. I'll answer.....
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jan 2015

The roided up cop needs to jump out of the way of the car and not be so fucking trigger happy. Deadly weapon my ass. The car was parked and the kid didn't have it in park or her foot slipped off the brakes....whatever....this wasn't some out of control speeding car barreling toward the cop. It brushed his leg. For that a trigger happy asshole with a badge served the death penalty to a teenager.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
16. And then they'll be in a high speed pursuit
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:41 AM
Jan 2015

Where that car that "brushed" an officers leg may "brush" another person or car of people on the road. Maybe someone else's kid. Probably at a very high speed.

Fuck that.

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
17. For that they need to die?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jan 2015

What the fuck is wrong with the psyche of cops and of some of their apologists and enablers where the death penalty is the go to answer for a vast array of situations? I'm fucking sick to death of these authoritarian type A's in our society seeking out the legal status of a badge so they can act out their psychopathic desire to dominate and command others. If you want to be a cop you should undergo a battery of psyche tests to determine your true intent for doing so. To serve and protect is clearly NOT the reason a vast majority of these authoritarians sought out the badge and the force of law behind it.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
15. Any proof she hit the officer?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 03:11 AM
Jan 2015

Don't take what killers say at face value. They will say anything to evade consequences.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
3. If the article is correct, then she tried to run them over. No charges.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jan 2015

16 yr olds out in the middle of the night in a stolen car. And one of the residents says "You've got stun guns. You've got rubber bullets. Why do they have to shoot all the time?"
So she thinks rubber bullets and a stun gun is a defense against a CAR? Wow.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
9. The story I heard was she got out of the car to run and did not put the car in park.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jan 2015

The car continued to roll forward and bumped into an officer causing no injuries. Deadly weapon...hardly..scared child ...hell yes..

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
10. That version cant be true, according to the reports of the people looking out their windows
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jan 2015

They are upset that she was taken out of the car and handcuffed before any aid was called for. So that means she was IN the car when it was shot at by the cops.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
12. Seriously? A stolen car? So she was trying to decide to be a car thief or a ... So. Cal Congressman
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jan 2015

named Darrell Issa.. interesting potential there..

They should both be in jail.



Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

kiva

(4,373 posts)
18. An investigation is a good idea,
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jan 2015

but can we stop pretending she was 'trying to park the car'?

The shooting happened after an officer was called to check on a suspicious vehicle, Chief Robert White has said. A colleague arrived after the officer determined the car had been reported stolen. Police have said the two officers approached the car on foot when Hernandez drove into one of them, and they both then opened fire.

The car's passenger said police had surrounded the car in the alley, and Hernandez was trying to flee, attempting to dive (sic) around one of the squad cars.


The car was stolen and she hit a cop. Odds are that an investigation will clear the officer, but given what's been happening around the country it should be done.
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