There are more people in US prisons now than were in Stalin's gulags.
"Six million people are under correctional supervision in the U.S.more than were in Stalins gulags. "
The Caging of America
Why do we lock up so many people?
by Adam Gopnik
The New Yorker
Excerpt:
Texas alone has sentenced more than four hundred teen-agers to life imprisonment,
Excerpt:In truth, there are more black men in the grip of the criminal-justice systemin prison, on probation, or on parolethan were in slavery then. Over all, there are now more people under correctional supervision in Americamore than six millionthan were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height.
Facts:
The accelerating rate of incarceration over the past few decades is just as startling as the number of people jailed:
in 1980, there were about two hundred and twenty people incarcerated for every hundred thousand Americans;
by 2010, the number had more than tripled, to seven hundred and thirty-one.
No other country even approaches that.
In the past two decades, the money that states spend on prisons has risen at six times the rate of spending on higher education.
Very good read, recommended.
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik
Jim__
(14,063 posts)... is a fantastic success.
The most infuriating part of the article was this memo from Corrections Corporation of America:
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Man, that is a hell of admission in that quote.
Our approach to criminal justice is the profit motive.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)this rush to corrections is because some greedy fuckers found a way to make a buck of off people's misery!
Guy Montag
(126 posts)are free. We'd be safer if we released most of the people we warred on because they used illegal substances in trade for those who started illegal wars and did false flag operations.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)saras
(6,670 posts)You become what you obsess over, whether you love, hate, or are indifferent to it.
This is why most religious figures of significance preach constant awareness of God's goodness, and why most empire builders preach constant awareness of evil enemies.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I'm pretty sure the Pubbies won't like me, but I don't expect them to become me for that reason.
The point is that if you hate too much, you become hateful, so to speak, literally, full of hate. So the idea is that you need to get a grip before you start thrashing around about something you don't like, lest you become hateful too.
In this context, the line of thought would be that in our agitation to attack all things Soviet, we have adopted many of the methods we criticize in them. Which seems, at minimum, like an own-goal.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Well said.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Project Grudge
(241 posts)here's what struck me:
"Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country todayperhaps the fundamental fact, as slavery was the fundamental fact of 1850. In truth, there are more black men in the grip of the criminal-justice systemin prison, on probation, or on parolethan were in slavery then."
wow. Anyone who thinks Jim Crow is over isn't paying attention.
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)Because he killed many many more.
Igel
(35,282 posts)Many were in internal exile--not, strictly speaking, part of the GULag system. Internal exile could be fairly innocuous--exiling an academic from Moscow to Estonia, for example. Or less innocuous, exiling a dissident to a village in Siberia.
We also routinely ignore the numbers of dead from the GULags.
You want fun, compare any high-security prison with the accounts in Shalamov's "Kolyma Tales." And if you find a chance egregious account in the US, consider that Kolyma was the way the government and powers that be formally intended it to run.
Then there were the actual prisons and jails. Easy to fill them with whomever you want when the government is the employer and has the right to fire anybody--and then to imprison you because you have no official, legal means of support.
We'll ignore that the percentage of people at the GULag's height was based on a population a bit more than 1/2 of the current US population.
Yep, the rate of imprisonment is too high. Then again, so is the rate of some forms of criminality.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)the acts which are punishable as crimes are too many. And the length of prison imposed is too long. And the opportunity for parole is too low.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Hawkowl
(5,213 posts)Fear sells weapons. Fear sells prisons. Fear squelches dissent. Fear equals profits.
Soylent Brice
(8,308 posts)K&R
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Soylent Brice
(8,308 posts)sorry it took me this long to notice you replied.
how ya been!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:46 PM - Edit history (4)
It's not a cosmic coincidence that virtually all pundit speculation from day 1 of any Presidential Election centers on candidates in the right wing, authoritarian quadrant of the poltical spectrum. Their names are also repeated ad nauseum, this is basically free advertising.
The authoritarian candidates are continually touted as "mainstream," by the corporate media while candidates leaning toward the liberal or libertarian quadrant are labeled as "extremist."
During debates authoritarians are usually placed in the center of the debating group so the cameras can be focused on them more often, while those liberal or libertarian candidates on the edge of the stage disappear from view.
Of course the authoritarian candidate will also recieve an overwhelming majority of questions from the moderators as well.
This long term biassed promotion by the corporate media insures authoritarians are more likely in coming to power and thus our prison population explosion as we descend in to a full blown police state.
Thanks for the thread, dixiegrrrrl.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)All we can do is "teach your children well" I guess.
Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)before their eyes and no doubt many of them were in shock, some form of denial or in some cases happy about the prospects of having an authoritarian government; which gave them a feeling or sense of strength and power.
There are many programs on television now dedicated to nothing but criminalizing the American People, this one sided demonization lends itself to dampening or eliminating altogether any regard by the public for our world record breaking, exploding prison population or the people behind bars.
In short they all had it coming and if they didn't it was an exception to the rule.
I agree we need to teach our children well, but it's an uphill fight as most parents have to work and the vast majority of the corporate media is intent on promoting corporate supremacist authoritarianism, starting at an early age, whether it be subliminal, materialistic, advertising via commercials or cartoon programming.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I no longer have tv, it has been gone for over a year now, but when we did have it, I had noticed the increasing emphasis on crime stuff, as well as "trash " tv..all those tacky reality shows.
I imagine it has only gotten worse since we ditched the tube.
patrick t. cakes
(1,783 posts)says it all right here....
"leniency in conviction and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by our criminal laws."
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)that guards the owners of our plutocracy.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Back in the 1900's/1920'/30's, private company owners used police to break union strikes.
Some classic examples:
Matewan- West Virginia coal strike, John Sayles made a movie about it.
the Bonus Army in Washington DC, 1932:
Hoover used the military, complete with tanks, to clear out the WW1 veterans who were occupying there as a protest against not getting their promised money.
The Wobblies, in the Pacific NW, from whence Mother Jones and Joe HIll became famous.
In many places where the union tried to organize or protest, they where attacked by local police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wobblies
Using the police to support autocratic rule is an old old game in the good old US of A, but not much is taught about that in school.