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[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, polly.

[polly7]

17. You're welcome,

here is a good documentary I watched containing some info on water-privatization around the world - 'A World Without Water' http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-without-water/ "Margaret Thatcher decided privatization was a great way to make money"...

Veolia is already in most developed countries with it's water and waste-management programs, I had no idea how big they were. Partnered with the World Bank and Pepsi, I don't believe poorer nations will have much choice but to accept their control.

http://www.globalexchange.org/economicactivism/veolia/otheroffenses

"Profits over people...

Veolia is the largest water privatization business in the world, and has come under attack by water rights activists for many of its contracts that reveal consistent prioritization of private profit at the expense of the environment and public interest. See the 2009 and 2011 reports by Food & Water Watch for more information. While public facilities are accountable to the public, often creating increased transparency and efficiency, private facilities are not. If a company chooses to abuse its privilege by hiking up price rates or cutting costs in ways that are detrimental to the public, it is much more difficult to fight. Worldwide, consumers report that Veolia consistently charges high rates, provides poor service, and fails to make promised improvements."....

..."Veolia contracts gone bad...

***These examples from the United States are compiled from the 2009 report by Food & Water Watch titled Money Down the Drain: How Private Control of Water Wastes Public Resources, a 2010 Food & Water Watch Factsheet titled A Closer Look: Veolia Environnement, a 2011 report by Food and Water Watch titled Veolia Environnement: A Profile of the World's Largest Water Service Corporation, and a report prepared by Novato Friends of Locally Operated Wastewater titled Veolia and the Environment: A Bad Fit for Novato."

[Uncle Joe]

19. If anything this will push societies to the breaking point, as more people and the environment

are squeezed out so that others can worship more almighty dollars.

There will be a tipping point when enough people realize the public insterest is continually getting screwed on behalf of a few corrupt, souless, corporate supermacists.

[a simple pattern]

2. Fuckers.

It is time for humanity, as one, to rid ourselves of the Greedy Man.

[Smilo]

3. Good God - if they do this we are

all truly screwed.

Any way to fight this?

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

7. Occupy!

[NYC_SKP]

22. *IF* they do???? Water privatization has been going on a for a long time.

FIGHT IT!

[JDPriestly]

4. Seems all these guys can do is steal, steal, steal.

And this time they are trying to steal from God (or nature if you prefer).

Man can control the provenance and destination of water to some extent, but ultimately, it is in God's or nature's hands to decide where water flows and goes.

Hubris. Hubris. Hubris.

[Richardo]

5. Oh HELL no.

[jwirr]

6. Well I see the World Bank has not abandoned its disaster capital policies even thought they are

failing world wide. They need to be shut down - their only interest is profit.

[Octafish]

24. Profit for the 'right' people.

Baron de Rothschild and Prescott Bush, share a moment and some information, back in the day.

[jwirr]

26. Of course as Cenk would say.

[truedelphi]

8. Undoubtedly, the Corporate-Hacks will steal our water out from under us

We already see how little is done to preserve the water in places where the Oil and Gas Industry has its way with fracking.

And unlike Bolivia, where people care enough about their lives and their children's lives, I can't say I see Americans who would sacrifice themselves to get the stolen water returned back to them once Industry swipes it away.

[mntleo2]

9. They're starting here by charging 3rd party billing with renters

...this is where the unmetered resident in an apartment building gets a "pooled" billing in addition to their rent and other utility bills (electricity, phone). This is where they take the number of units (or sometimes the number of residents living in the unit), divide the bill by that number and then bill their residents. In the past landlords included water in the rent because if it isn't paid by them, their property can get a lien put on it. Now they can charge high rent AND claim the water bill is also part of the deal. The reason they do this is that they are leeching even more off the residents.

Some problems with this arrangement is that residents have no control over usage, even if their curb their own like they could improve the cost if it were individually metered (which the landlord is too cheap to do). The management or landlord can use the water for their gardens, leave it on all day, use it whatever way they want and add to this cost and assume their residents will pay for it, so who cares?

The most insidious about this "third party" billing is that the same companies that are the billers are also the same companies involved with the takeover of water in developing countries. Where in places like Argentina, they even claimed caught rainwater was "owned" by them and therefore anyone doing this was "stealing".

3rd party billing is creeping into communities all over the nation. FIGHT IT!

Cat in Seattle

[WillyT]

10. HUGE K & R !!!

[marmar]

11. I think Noam Chomsky says it best:

[font size="4"]"... corporations are fundamentally illegitimate, ... they don't have to exist at all in their modern form. Just as other oppressive institutions - slavery, say, or royalty - have been changed or eliminated, so corporate power can be changed of eliminated. What are the limits? There aren't any. Everything is ultimately under public control."[/font]

[annabanana]

12. Next they will steal the remaining breathable air.. . . . .n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. The corporations want to sell you the sky

[fasttense]

14. And if they get their hands on our water, they will sue you if you collect rainwater. n/t

[BrendaBrick]

20. Has already happened according to

Health Freedoms:

http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/12/27/collecting-rainwater-now-illegal-in-many-states-as-big-government-claims-ownership-over-our-water/

Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water
Submitted by Brooke Adison on December 27, 2011 – 3:18

Collecting rainwater is now illegal in many states as the Government claims ownership over our water sources. Yes even rain water. ~ Health Freedoms

Many of the freedoms we enjoy here in the U.S. are quickly eroding as the nation transforms from the land of the free into the land of the enslaved, but what I’m about to share with you takes the assault on our freedoms to a whole new level. You may not be aware of this, but many Western states, including Utah, Washington and Colorado, have long outlawed individuals from collecting rainwater on their own properties because, according to officials, that rain belongs to someone else.

As bizarre as it sounds, laws restricting property owners from “diverting” water that falls on their own homes and land have been on the books for quite some time in many Western states. Only recently, as droughts and renewed interest in water conservation methods have become more common, have individuals and business owners started butting heads with law enforcement over the practice of collecting rainwater for personal use.

Check out this YouTube video of a news report out of Salt Lake City, Utah, about the issue. It’s illegal in Utah to divert rainwater without a valid water right, and Mark Miller of Mark Miller Toyota, found this out the hard way.

After constructing a large rainwater collection system at his new dealership to use for washing new cars, Miller found out that the project was actually an “unlawful diversion of rainwater.” Even though it makes logical conservation sense to collect rainwater for this type of use since rain is scarce in Utah, it’s still considered a violation of water rights which apparently belong exclusively to Utah’s various government bodies.

Rest at the above link.

Though I can't vouch for the site, here is a wiki link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_freedom_movement

I believe it is one in the same?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

15. Another Enron model...

... ala Argentina in the late 1980's. Argentina was building a big public waterworks with local contractors in the bidding and Enron setting up a "$20 front" in an attempt to get into the water business. In 1988 G. W. Bush called the government of Argentina asking why things were going so slow concerning Enron's endeavors there.

Read it here: Don't Cry for Bush, Argentina http://motherjones.com/politics/2000/03/dont-cry-bush-argentina
It ended up playing part in yet another economic set back for Argentina. The World Bank and IMF had a part in it, too. And this explains in more detail what CAI Executive Director Kelle Louaillier is describing, "one failed privatization scheme after another". They have said for a decade that what happens in Argentina is/was, "practice for what they are going to try to do to the rest of the world economy".

[magical thyme]

16. glad to see Maine is not on their list yet

Nestlé has been trying to expand here for years ever since they bought up Poland Springs. They sue(d) one tiny village after another trying to claim the water in our aquifers doesn't belong to us and trying to force us to let them pump up more. All in exchange, of course, for a few minimum wage jobs to support our local economy...and ruin our local agriculture and citizens.

[sulphurdunn]

18. How Ironic

In order to sell more of its infant formula in third world countries, Nestle would hire women with no special training and dress them up as nurses to give out free samples of Nestle formula. The free samples lasted long enough for the mother's breast milk to dry up from lack of use. Then mothers would be forced to purchase the formula but, being poor, they would often mix the formula with unsanitary water or 'stretch' the amount of formula by diluting it with more water than recommended. The result was that babies starved all over the Third World while Nestle made huge profits from this predatory marketing strategy. Source: breastfeeding.com

[Hotler]

21. Mother fuckers! Boycott Coca-cola and Nestles. n/t

[polly7]

23. Putting water back in public hands

Putting water back in public hands

by Julio Godoy on March 21, 2012

http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/putting-water-back-in-public-hands/

Case studies highlight failures of privatisation

The book reviews the experiences of four cities and one country around the world, which, during the past decade, have managed to recuperate water services from commercialisation and privatisation.

In the book, one of the authors, David A. McDonald, says that, while the reasons for remunicipalisation are quite diverse, they “stem in no small part from the failures of water privatisation”.

McDonald remarks that “even the World Bank (one of the main supporters of privatisation in the first place) has called for a ‘rethink’ of privatisation policies, having recognised the regulatory problems associated with multinational water providers, and having seen the effects of a profit-driven service delivery model on workers, low-income households and the environment.”

........

[Uncle Joe]

25. Make no mistake about the privatization of everything under the sun including nations' water

resources as being nothing but De Facto class warfare being waged by the mega-wealthy against everyone else.

They want to eliminate representative government's role in representing the best interests and welfare of its' citizens.

Another face from the hydra of corporate supremacy.

Thanks for the thread, polly.