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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 02:19 PM Jan 2015

India: Thousands of Farmers Die from Mysterious Kidney Disease


A farmer walks through a paddy field at Tannaurah village in the northern Indian state of Punjab, Aug. 1, 2014. | Photo: Reuters

In India, about 20,000 people have died of the same kidney disease over the past 20 years, while 400,000 more are estimated to have symptoms. In some places, the disease could cause up to 10 victims per month, the UK daily The Independent reported Sunday.

However, in most cases symptoms remain subtle, and the disease is only discovered after an autopsy is performed.

An investigation by the U.N. has not been able to detect a definite cause, but it pointed to the influence of heavy metals like the cadmium in fertilizers or the arsenic in pesticides, both heavily used by the country's agricultural sector.

About a decade ago, a similar kidney disease appeared in the Americas, including El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Mexico, affecting especially young men working in sugarcane fields. Last year, researchers mentioned the role of Roundup pesticide produced by Monsanto among the possible causes.


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India: Thousands of Farmers Die from Mysterious Kidney Disease (Original Post) polly7 Jan 2015 OP
In other news, DOW Chemical announced that it would be reformulating ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #1
I would be astonished if it was NOT a pesticide, herbicide, or fertilizer. djean111 Jan 2015 #2
It's also how the locals roll. jeff47 Jan 2015 #11
your link says this is in sri lanka. mopinko Jan 2015 #21
Yes, the OP's article changed it to "India" jeff47 Jan 2015 #24
cuz india. mopinko Jan 2015 #28
But aren't we supposed to trust BigAg? BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #3
Yes, instead we should trust the people that think RoundUp is a pesticide. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #4
Because it doesn't have a 12.67mm sight with a subcharli grip so it's not a "military style" weapon? BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #5
This isn't vernacular versus technical term. jeff47 Jan 2015 #7
That's why the public should be educated to make their own proper choices BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #8
Those that think labels actually provide sufficient information by themselves jeff47 Jan 2015 #9
Anyone who claims to have a monopoly on "reality" usually is living in an alternate one BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #18
No, transparency would require those claiming harm jeff47 Jan 2015 #20
Same argument Global Warming deniers use. Eko Jan 2015 #27
Thanks BrotherIvan.. there's a lot of intelligent people who are behind what you're supporting.. Cha Jan 2015 #38
Yes it is so strange BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #41
Yes, we're not fooled out here in Hawaii.. but, Monsanto types have gone to court and overturned Cha Jan 2015 #42
Such an accurate image. Thanks, Cha. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #43
That picture is worth a thousand words! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #45
And, said "none of your damn buisness". nt Cha Jan 2015 #51
Yup BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #52
Better than to trust people who insist that an herbicide can't possibly be toxic to people as well. pnwmom Jan 2015 #13
How 'bout people who add RoundUp to the story? jeff47 Jan 2015 #14
Just because that writer didn't mention Round-up doesn't mean it's not one of the substances pnwmom Jan 2015 #15
It's recent arrival makes it difficult to explain how RoundUp is the cause jeff47 Jan 2015 #16
Not really. Kidney disease can take decades to develop. And glycosphate pnwmom Jan 2015 #17
That's my point. jeff47 Jan 2015 #19
Not a Mystery. N/T 7wo7rees Jan 2015 #6
How 'bout linking to the actual source? jeff47 Jan 2015 #10
Round-up. Say no more. nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #12
jeff-47 rests his case. mopinko Jan 2015 #22
Debt and Death in the Indian Hinterland polly7 Jan 2015 #23
Fucking geography. Always putting things in inconvenient places. jeff47 Jan 2015 #25
'I' didn't tell a story, I linked to one here. polly7 Jan 2015 #26
It matters because the original story does not mention GMOs or RoundUp jeff47 Jan 2015 #30
A Roundup of Roundup® Reveals Converging Pattern of Toxicity from Farm to Clinic to Laboratory Studi polly7 Jan 2015 #39
i was in india for less than 2 weeks, and i wanted to commit suicide. mopinko Jan 2015 #29
And yet the country can feed a billion people BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #31
not by any standard that would be considered acceptable here mopinko Jan 2015 #32
I have been to India many times for extended periods BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #35
and you saw how fat and happy everyone is? mopinko Jan 2015 #36
The problems in India have far more to do with culture and lack of birth control than with yield BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #37
except that the nature article i linked says cotton yields are up. mopinko Jan 2015 #40
bitter seeds looks like bullshit to me. mopinko Jan 2015 #33
Oh, I'm sure it does ............ to you. polly7 Jan 2015 #46
i didnt say it wasnt a good story. it's a great story. mopinko Jan 2015 #47
Lived there, suffered through what these people have, have you? nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #48
i'm not gonna play this with you. mopinko Jan 2015 #49
I don't believe suicides are anything to play about. polly7 Jan 2015 #50
an assertion of the rate and cause of suicides is a statistical task mopinko Jan 2015 #53
All of the years of research and first hand accounts shown in the film polly7 Jan 2015 #54
Doubts surround link between Bt cotton failure and farmer suicide mopinko Jan 2015 #34
It's heart-breaking. We need to know. Thank you, Polly. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #44

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
1. In other news, DOW Chemical announced that it would be reformulating
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jan 2015

an anti-pest, anti-herbicide experimental farm application it had been testing in the fields in India.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. I would be astonished if it was NOT a pesticide, herbicide, or fertilizer.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jan 2015

Also would be astonished if the makers of such had not already arrayed their lawyers and lobbyists in order to avoid any fault and/or paying any compensation. Even if it could be proved to be a specific pesticide or herbicide or fertilizer, it would likely still be used until the last bag or liter was gone. That's how they roll.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. It's also how the locals roll.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jan 2015

As the actual source reports, bans on pesticides and fertilizers that are suspected to be the cause are not enforced.

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
21. your link says this is in sri lanka.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jan 2015

same article, but when they substitute india in the title, i guess it makes it scarier. (yes, it is part of india, but it is not the mainland. it is an island.)

i would actually be curious if these farmers even used modern pesticides, let alone roundup. these people barely have money for seed.

and india is one polluted place. i would have to wonder if they could even sort it out. people have little care for the future, so few live to see it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. Yes, the OP's article changed it to "India"
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jan 2015

Removing the regional aspect probably tells a better story.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
5. Because it doesn't have a 12.67mm sight with a subcharli grip so it's not a "military style" weapon?
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jan 2015

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. This isn't vernacular versus technical term.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jan 2015

Killing bugs and killing other plants are quite different things. That's why we have separate names for them, and don't have a generic name for "chemical you spray on crops that kills stuff you don't want" - the role "gun" fills compared to pistol and rifle.

Also, they know what herbicides are in other parts of the article, but then get it wrong on the product they want to blame. That failure indicates they aren't taking much care when assigning blame. Which damages their credibility when assigning blame.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
8. That's why the public should be educated to make their own proper choices
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jan 2015

Those in favor of withholding information, such as labeling, are absolutely suspect.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. Those that think labels actually provide sufficient information by themselves
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jan 2015

are not making an informed decision.

To you, all GMOs are created by Monsanto. Even when shown GMO crops that were not created by Monsanto.

To you, all GMOs are created so that chemicals can be sprayed on the field. Even when shown GMO crops that do not confer chemical resistance.

In other words, you don't give a shit about reality. You have a theory, and are going to demand it be true.

I'm not going to apologize for a pro-reality bias. Even though I'd prefer Monsanto be burned to the ground and the Earth salted so nothing new will ever take its place.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
18. Anyone who claims to have a monopoly on "reality" usually is living in an alternate one
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jan 2015

And as you refer to me constantly in your Woo Warrior! post, I will answer that all I want is transparency and long-term, independent testing. MORE SCIENCE not less. Those of you who have decided that the case is closed and the science is sufficient would have been satisfied with time as a constant.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. No, transparency would require those claiming harm
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jan 2015

to demonstrate the mechanism of that harm. Not "it could hurt by some mechanism we don't know yet".

Give me a mechanism. Then we have something to test and can actually do science. "It's new and I don't know how they do it" is not a mechanism. It's rejecting science, and reality, out of fear. We already do that too much.

Eko

(7,281 posts)
27. Same argument Global Warming deniers use.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:03 PM
Jan 2015

"Those of you who have decided that the case is closed and the science is sufficient would have been satisfied with time as a constant."

Cha

(297,175 posts)
38. Thanks BrotherIvan.. there's a lot of intelligent people who are behind what you're supporting..
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jan 2015

me being one, of course.

Weed-Whacking Herbicide Proves Deadly to Human Cells

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/

I really do wonder about people who push poisons and non labeling on us .. all in the name of big ag/giant a$$ corp Monsanto.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
41. Yes it is so strange
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

When those who claim to be on the side of Science! are the ones willing to push biased, faulty science that has been shown time and again to be nothing more than marketing PR. GMOs were backdoored by the FDA, they did not have to withstand rigorous testing in order to be approved. That alone should set off some alarm bells. The other being that Dow, Monsato, etc. are notoriously evil companies. That is just like saying that BP and Exxon say the pipeline is safe, so let's trust em.

Shaking my damn head! The posters here are against labeling because they think people should be forced to eat this crap without their knowledge!! Well, at least some places, like Hawaii, the voters weren't fooled by big money like they were here in California. That is another reason to oppose the TPP because it will force countries who previously disallowed GMOs to take them. It's a bad deal all around. And now, farmers who are barely making it are forced to put their health in jeopardy by being covered in toxic poisons? Who wants to defend that?

Cha

(297,175 posts)
42. Yes, we're not fooled out here in Hawaii.. but, Monsanto types have gone to court and overturned
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jan 2015

the will of the People in many cases so it's an ongoing expensive battle to have our land and air poison free.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
45. That picture is worth a thousand words!
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jan 2015

And I don't care what anyone says, I have a right to know what I am putting in my body, as do you, as does everyone. They should have spelled "Fud."

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
13. Better than to trust people who insist that an herbicide can't possibly be toxic to people as well.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/

The French team, led by Gilles-Eric Seralini, a University of Caen molecular biologist, said its results highlight the need for health agencies to reconsider the safety of Roundup.

“The authorizations for using these Roundup herbicides must now clearly be revised since their toxic effects depend on, and are multiplied by, other compounds used in the mixtures,” Seralini’s team wrote.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
14. How 'bout people who add RoundUp to the story?
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jan 2015

The original source never mentioned RoundUp or herbicides, and the scientists studying it believe it's caused by heavy metals in pesticides and fertilizers.

The OP's source (and copy-n-paste source) added RoundUp. The story is plenty compelling without it, and RoundUp's relatively recent arrival to Sri Lanka makes the timing difficult to explain. So why add it?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
15. Just because that writer didn't mention Round-up doesn't mean it's not one of the substances
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jan 2015

that should be re-examined.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/

Until now, most health studies have focused on the safety of glyphosate, rather than the mixture of ingredients found in Roundup. But in the new study, scientists found that Roundup’s inert ingredients amplified the toxic effect on human cells—even at concentrations much more diluted than those used on farms and lawns.

One specific inert ingredient, polyethoxylated tallowamine, or POEA, was more deadly to human embryonic, placental and umbilical cord cells than the herbicide itself – a finding the researchers call “astonishing.”

“This clearly confirms that the [inert ingredients] in Roundup formulations are not inert,” wrote the study authors from France’s University of Caen. “Moreover, the proprietary mixtures available on the market could cause cell damage and even death [at the] residual levels” found on Roundup-treated crops, such as soybeans, alfalfa and corn, or lawns and gardens.

SNIP

The French team, led by Gilles-Eric Seralini, a University of Caen molecular biologist, said its results highlight the need for health agencies to reconsider the safety of Roundup.

“The authorizations for using these Roundup herbicides must now clearly be revised since their toxic effects depend on, and are multiplied by, other compounds used in the mixtures,” Seralini’s team wrote.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. It's recent arrival makes it difficult to explain how RoundUp is the cause
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jan 2015

especially when the ban on heavy metal containing pesticides and fertilizers isn't being enforced. And they showed up long enough ago to make a lot more sense as the cause.

The only good thing about RoundUp is evolution is making it obsolete, so we'll be rid of it sooner rather than later.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
17. Not really. Kidney disease can take decades to develop. And glycosphate
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jan 2015

can combine with heavy metals to cause kidney damage.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945589/

Although glyphosate alone does not cause an epidemic of chronic kidney disease, it seems to have acquired the ability to destroy the renal tissues of thousands of farmers when it forms complexes with a localized geo environmental factor (hardness) and nephrotoxic metals.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
19. That's my point.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jan 2015

RoundUp is new (ish). The banned fertilizers and pesticides have been around for much, much longer.

Also the ban on these products, and the non-enforcement of the ban, could explain the regionalism - the problem's only occurring in part of Sri Lanka, yet RoundUp is used over much more of the country. If the ban is enforced in other areas, that could explain why it's only happening in one part of the country. But I have no idea if enforcement differs in different regions. I also have no idea why heavy metals aren't showing up in groundwater tests.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
10. How 'bout linking to the actual source?
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/sri-lanka-ravaged-by-mystery-kidney-disease-that-has-killed-20000-in-20-years-9985865.html

Though the actual source does have things like this pesky sentence:
Though no cases have been reported outside of the North Central province's dry zone, where farming was transformed in the 1960's and 70's following the introduction of modern techniques, the disease has slowly spread from two districts to seven.

And doesn't include the words "RoundUp" or "herbicide".

Which kinda hurts the "it's Monsanto killing us all" story in your articles. Since they're also spraying that in other parts of India that are not reporting cases.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
23. Debt and Death in the Indian Hinterland
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jan 2015

Then maybe you and Jeff can go show all these farmers in India committing suicide and dying from unknown causes just how to farm right, eh!!!

By Romi Mahajan

December 19, 2014

In the last nine years, Gangabai has lost both her husband and her son to suicide; her son, despondent and desperate, took his life on Dec 8th, 2014. Tears in her eyes, she described the difficulties of life on the cotton farms. Behind her, Yogita, 25, a new widow, tends to her son Kanhanniya, 1. He has a fever today but is happily running around; he is too young to know that he is suddenly fatherless. Yogita’s movements are a bit deliberate- she is to deliver her second child in 3 months. She has a tough life ahead.

Moreshwar Chaudhary, 32, killed himself around 3pm on Dec 8th by imbibing insecticide. A small scale cotton farmer with 3 acres to cultivate, Moreshwar was indebted to banks, private lenders, and to a microcredit facility and could not meet the payments. The family mortgaged everything including Yogita’s wedding jewelry. Gangabai, his frail sixty-something mother, went back to work as a day laborer to make some money but still they could not manage to make their payments. Moreshwar really wanted to get Yogita’s jewelry out of hawk but could not find the money. And the fields did not help. This year, the drought conditions are the worst in decades and the cotton is sparse. Meanwhile the price of these commodities has come down and the input costs have gone up. This cruel hat-trick connived to make cultivation an economically detrimental activity and further immiserated the family; bereft of income and hope, Moreshwar could no longer take the enormous stress and pain and chose to commit suicide.

Huddled in their modest home, we saw Moreshwar’s wedding picture. He looked peaceful and proud. His older sister sat stoically, supporting Gangabai. A friend of the family, a young man, played with Kanhanniya while telling us about the state of life in the village right now. Others huddled inside and outside the home. Yogita’s parents have come from their village to be with her. In this sense, Gangabai and Yogita are lucky- they have a community; this is not always the case given that the traditional social bonds in villages have been rent by a variety of factors that can together be called “modernity.” Veteran journalist Jaideep Hardikar, who arranged our visit to Gangabai’s village, put it best- “there is nothing to romanticize about the village.”

Moreshwar’ s death does not mean the erasure of debt. The debt that plagued the family and ultimately led to Moreshwar’s suicide, is also in Gangabai’s name. The path ahead is painful- and lonely. Lonely especially for Yogita who at 25 will now be consigned to a life of difficulty; in her community widow remarriage is proscribed. She might stay with Gangabai or might move back in with her parents, also desperate small-holding farmers. Right now, it’s too early. Moreshwar has only been gone a few days.


https://zcomm.org/zcommentary/debt-and-death-in-the-indian-hinterland/


Human tragedy: A farmer and child in India's 'suicide belt'


When Prince Charles claimed thousands of Indian farmers were killing themselves after using GM crops, he was branded a scaremonger. In fact, as this chilling dispatch reveals, it's even WORSE than he feared.

The children were inconsolable. Mute with shock and fighting back tears, they huddled beside their mother as friends and neighbours prepared their father's body for cremation on a blazing bonfire built on the cracked, barren fields near their home.

As flames consumed the corpse, Ganjanan, 12, and Kalpana, 14, faced a grim future. While Shankara Mandaukar had hoped his son and daughter would have a better life under India's economic boom, they now face working as slave labour for a few pence a day. Landless and homeless, they will be the lowest of the low.


"He was strangled by these magic seeds. They sell us the seeds, saying they will not need expensive pesticides but they do. We have to buy the same seeds from the same company every year. It is killing us. Please tell the world what is happening here.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1082559/The-GM-genocide-Thousands-Indian-farmers-committing-suicide-using-genetically-modified-crops.html

'Bitter Seeds' Film Tells of Suicide and GMO Effects on India's Farmers
Posted: 09/21/2012 3:43 pm EDT Updated: 11/21/2012 5:12 am EST

"Every 30 minutes a farmer in India kills himself ..." This frightening fact is pointed out in "Bitter Seeds," the third documentary in "The Globalization Trilogy" directed by Micha Peled. The 12-year project aims to generate debate about public policy and consumer choices in some complex issues relevant to all of us. Peled is the founder of the nonprofit Teddy Bear Films, which he created to make issue-oriented films such as "Will My Mother Go Back to Berlin?" and "Store Wars: When Wal-Mart Comes to Town."

2012-09-21-wheatseeds.jpg

"Bitter Seeds" follows a season in a village in India from planting to harvest. There are three important stories in this film, each revolving around the multinational corporate takeover of India's seed market and the effect it has on farmers and farming all over India and the world.

Like most of his neighbors, the protagonist in the film, Ram Krishna, must engage a money-lender to pay for the mounting costs of modern farming; he puts his land up as collateral.

The only seeds available in India now are GMOs (genetically modified organisms), which require farmers to pay an annual royalty each time they are replanted. The GMOs need additional fertilizers, and as the seasons move forward, more insecticides and pesticides. The soil in which these seeds are planted requires more water. All of which means more and more money for the farmer to lay out.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zester-daily/bitter-seeds-film_b_1902221.html

http://idfa.muvies.com/reviews/3754-bitter-seeds (VIDEO)

Every 30 minutes, another Indian cotton farmer commits suicide. Filmmaker Micha Peled investigates why this is happening and follows one of them to the edge of the abyss.

Medium

Manjusha Amberwar hopes to get her first article published in the local paper. Taking her first step as a journalist is not easy for the village girl, whose entire family opposes her ambition, and the topic of her article provides even less reason for joy. Her father was one of the many Indian cotton farmers who have committed suicide. She hopes that by drawing attention to their plight, she can bring an end to this epidemic, but it won't be easy. Many farmers switched to genetically modified seeds produced by the American company Monsanto, and the drawbacks proved to be manifold. In contrast to the supposed benefits, the costs for fertilizer and pesticides turned out to be far higher than before. What's more, the seeds require more water, and the farmers are rain-dependent in an arid area, so they rarely grow a large crop. Bitter Seeds is the third part of a trilogy by director Micha Peled about globalization. The first two parts were Store Wars: When Wal-Mart Comes to Town (2001) and China Blue (2007). In addition to Amberwar, Peled follows a farmer who is battling to keep his few acres of land. As in his previous films, he once again gives a human face to the victims of opportunistic multinationals. His own opinion isn't difficult to guess, but by simply allowing his subjects to tell their stories and without laying the sentiment on too thick, he leaves the final judgment in the hands of the viewer.


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If Specter had actually travelled across the cotton belt in Maharashtra State (surely the Monsanto office could have easily directed him there), he would have heard from his trusted sources that there is a decline in Bt Cotton cultivation in favor of Soy Bean due to failed Bt crops. He would have heard of Datta Chauhan of Bhamb village who swallowed poison on November 5, 2013, because his Bt cotton crop did not survive the heavy rains in July that year. He would have heard of Shankar Raut and Tatyaji Varlu, from Varud village, both who committed suicide due to the failure of their Bt Cotton. Tatyaji Varlu was unable to repay the Rs. 50,000 credit through which he received seeds. Specter could have met and spoken to the family of 7 left behind by Ganesh, in Chikni village, following the repeated failure of his Bt Cotton crop. Ganesh had no option but to buy more Bt Cotton and try his luck multiple times because Bt Cotton was the only cotton seed in the market, brilliantly marketed under multiple brand names through Licensing Arrangements that Monsanto has with Indian companies. Multiple packages, multiple promises but the contents of each of those expensive packets is the same: it’s all Bt. It’s vulnerable to failure because of too much or too little water, reliant on fertilizer, and susceptible to pests without pesticide, all additional costs. The farmer, with a field too small to impress Specter, does not choose Bt Cotton of his free will. That choice is dictated by the system Specter attempts to hail.


By destroying the alternative sources of seed, as I explained earlier, a monopoly was established. Promises were made of higher yield and a reduction of pesticide costs to initially woo farmers. With a monopoly, Monsanto increased the price of seeds since it didn’t have to compete in the market. In India, the agents that sell Monsanto seeds also sell the pesticides and fertilizer, on credit. A Bt Cotton farmer starts the cultivation season with debt and completes the cycle with the sale of the crop after multiple applications of fertilizer and pesticide acquired on more credit. As the Bt-toxin was rendered useless, the crop was infested by new pests and yields of Bt Cotton started to decline, more fertilizer and pesticide were purchased and used by the farmers in the hope of a better yield next time around, destroying soil health. Degraded soil led to lower yields and further financial losses to the farmers. Many farmers would plant seed from another brand, not knowing it was the same exact Monsanto seed Bollguard, and that it would not fare any better and would require more fertilizer and pesticide than before, going deeper and deeper into debt. This cycle of high cost seeds and rising chemical requirements is the debt trap, from which the farmers see no escape, and which drives these farmers of the cotton belt to suicide. There is a causefor each and every farmer taking his own life, he is not driven to it by correlation. And the cause is a high cost monopoly system with no alternative. If it were any other product, Monsanto would be liable for false advertising, and a product liability claim due to intentional misrepresentation regarding Bt Cotton. Specter promotes a system of agriculture that fails to deliver on its promises of higher yield and lower costs and propagates exploitation.


The real reason for the Bengal Famine was speculation–as evidenced by Amartya Sen’s extensive work–that drove the prices of food so high that most people could not afford it. It was mostly a man-made famine. The same system of speculation that caused famines, like that of 1943, exists today. It’s now more organized, more lethal and captained by Wall Street. Large Agri-business, armed with near-monopoly power, increase prices beyond market-determined increases in costs.

Although, Specter writes about India becoming an exporting nation, he hides the fact that as a result of ‘Free Trade’ India has now become heavily dependent on imports of oil-seeds and pulses—staples for millions of Indians. In the nineties, because of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), prices of tortillas in Mexico City rose sharply while the price of corn, sold by Mexican farmers, went down. Free trade does not imply free-market, and more often than not it means the poor go hungry while profits of corporations, especially in agriculture, increase.


https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/seeds-of-truth-vandana-shiva-and-the-new-yorker/

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Vandana Shiva's Letter to PM Modi and President Obama

Seed Freedom and Food Democracy

An Open letter to Prime Minister Modi and President Obama from democratic, concerned citizens of India and the US



In addition to sueing farmers like Bowman, Monsanto has sued farmers like Percy Schmeiser of Canada whose fields were contaminated with Monsanto’s Roundup ready canola. Instead of the principle of polluter pays, patents allow Monsanto to work on the principle of polluter gets paid. This has recently happened in the Australia in the case of Steve Marsh. While Monsanto does not have a patent on Bt cotton in India, it goes outside the law to collect royalties as “technology fees”. Most of the 291000 farmers suicides in India since 1995 when WTO came into force are concentrated in the cotton belt. And 95% cotton is now controlled by Monsanto.

Intellectual Property Rights are defined as property in the “products of the mind”, including patents. Patents are granted for inventions, and give the patent holder the right to exclude everyone from the use or marketing of a patented product or process. Over the last 2 decades, patent laws have taken a different direction, under the influence of corporations, from protecting the interests of genuine inventions and ideas to ownership of life and control over survival essentials like seed and medicine. Such monopolies are violative of article 21 of the Indian constitution which guarantees all citizens the right to life.


We ask that the US not put pressure on India to undo article 3(d) and 3(j), and will instead take lessons from India about how to respect the integrity of living systems and processes, and put the rights of farmers and citizens first. For us seed freedom includes farmers rights to save, exchange, breed, sell farmers varieties of seeds- varieties that have been evolved over millennia without interference of the state or corporations.

Prime Minister Modi and President Obama, let this Republic day in India sow the seeds of Earth Democracy and Vasudhaiva Kutumbhakam, for our times and the future. We hope you show great leadership by working together to strengthen the laws to protect your citizens and countries instead of making it easier for corporations to take control over life-forms for short term profits. Let us build Purna Swaraj for all life on Earth, freedom to grow our food and know our food. Let us work toward a future where our food is our freedom.


This is an excellent letter explaining exactly why Indian farmers are suffering so badly. Long, but well worth reading.

http://www.momsacrosstheworld.com/vandana_shiva_letter_to_pm_modi_and_president_obama


India's Food Security Act: Myths and Reality

By Vandana Shiva

Source: Aljazeera

Monday, September 23, 2013


Excerpts:

Reforms not working

However, both the food crisis and the economic crisis are a result of the so-called reforms. More people are denied their right to food because, on the one hand the livelihoods of small and marginal farmers are being destroyed to carry out the reforms of corporatising the agriculture sector, with corporate seeds and chemical products, and corporate procurement instead of public procurement. The result is debt, hunger and despair.

One out of every four Indians today is a victim of hunger. And half of the hungry are farmers who cannot eat what they grow, either because they are planting cash crops such as cotton; or they're growing costly crops such as rice, wheat and corn, which they have to sell in order to repay the loans they get to buy seeds, fertilisers, etc.

That is why lowering the cost of production and increasing the livelihood sustainability of small and marginal farmers must be the first step in building food security. However, the Food Security Act is totally silent on production, procurement, and farmers' livelihood and food rights. This in my view is its biggest failing.

The silence on production makes many people feel that the Food Security Act could increase India's dependence on food imports. We are already spending millions of dollars in importing and subsidising pulses - grain legumes - and edible oils. Until the Green Revolution, India was the biggest producer and exporter of oilseeds and pulses.The Greed Revolution which is based on rice and wheat production has destroyed our self-sufficiency in pulses and oilseeds, and the globalisation and libralisation of the food trade has made it worse. We need to introdruce tariffs on imports of edible oils and pulses, both to give our farmers a level playing field, and to reduce our trade and budget deficits.


Full Article: http://www.zcommunications.org/indias-food-security-act-myths-and-reality-by-vandana-shiva.html


jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. Fucking geography. Always putting things in inconvenient places.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jan 2015

The actual story is talking about a disease in Sri Lanka. There have been zero reported cases outside Sri Lanka.

But that isn't the story you wanted to tell. So we now return to our outrage-based version of geography.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
26. 'I' didn't tell a story, I linked to one here.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jan 2015

You're denying freak seeds and pesticides affect anyone, so wtf does it matter to you 'where' it exists. My apologies that the author fucked up on the geography, but get over yourself.

Here, just for you: [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]



What do you attribute these 'mysterious cases' of kidney disease in those places mentioned to?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. It matters because the original story does not mention GMOs or RoundUp
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jan 2015

And was really easy to find with a simple Google search, if you came across your article first. The lack of a link to the original story should have set off alarm bells.

Also, it matters because RoundUp is sprayed in many places in India. Yet zero cases of this kidney problem outside Sri Lanka.

Also, it matters because we are better than Fox News. When reality doesn't align with what we want, we don't just resort to lying. Even when its a chance to attack a bad corporation.

Also, it matters because lies like this get people killed. Banning GMOs won't stop fertilizers and pesticides from killing these people. You took a story about their suffering and turned it into the story you wanted to tell. "To hell with their pain, I've got a story I want to tell!"

polly7

(20,582 posts)
39. A Roundup of Roundup® Reveals Converging Pattern of Toxicity from Farm to Clinic to Laboratory Studi
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Wed Jan 21, 2015, 01:56 PM - Edit history (3)

(Studies)

by Eva Sirinathsinghji / January 20th, 2015

Fatal kidney disease epidemic across continents foreseen by lab studies
Kidney disease has reached epidemic levels in regions that heavily use glyphosate such as farmers in Sri Lanka and sugar cane workers in Central America. Kidney problems have been highlighted by scientific studies, including Séralini’s rat feeding study where kidney tumours were observed [50]. A meta-analysis of feeding studies conducted by Séralini’s lab revealed kidney pathology in animals fed Roundup Ready soybeans, while in vitro studies have shown that glyphosate had cytotoxic effects on human embryonic kidney cell lines [52,53] (see [54] GM Feed Toxic, Meta-Analysis Confirms,SiS52, [55] Death by multiple poisoning ,glyphosate and Roundup, SiS 42).

In Sri Lanka, chronic kidney disease of unknown aetiology (CKDu) has afflicted the agricultural population in recent years. A study published in 2014 linked glyphosate-based herbicides to the epidemic. It appears that hard water in the agricultural regions leads to heavy metal toxicity in the kidneys via glyphosate’s metal chelating activity, and is responsible for the 400 000 cases of the disease and 20 000 fatalities [56] (see [57] Sri Lanka Partially Bans Glyphosate for Deadly Kidney Disease Epidemic, SiS 62). The government temporarily banned glyphosate from hard water areas, but this decision was reversed due to a lack of agricultural workers to take over the manual weeding required without the application of glyphosate. Similar health problems are widely affecting communities in Central America with one in four sugar cane workers reporting kidney disease in some areas [58, 59]. This epidemic forced the El Salvador government to call for international help after the epidemic began overwhelming the health systems. The El Salvadorian government has since approved legislation to ban glyphosate herbicides, though this is yet to be enforced.




Pesticide Illnesses and GM Soybeans

Ban on Aerial Spraying Demanded in Argentina

Coalition of doctors, health professionals and researchers demand ban on aerial spraying based on evidence documenting increase in pesticide-related illnesses since the introduction of GM soya Dr Eva Sirinathsinghji

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Roundup_of_Roundup.php (Institute of Science In Society)

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
29. i was in india for less than 2 weeks, and i wanted to commit suicide.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jan 2015

i dont think there is any way to get any clear data here. tho there certainly doesnt seem to be any attempt to do so here.
india is nothing like america. at all. the poverty is so grinding it is palpable. the soil is so poor, i was surprised to even see food.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
31. And yet the country can feed a billion people
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jan 2015

So I guess your trip was a waste. With such a narrow view, it's no wonder you missed it.

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
32. not by any standard that would be considered acceptable here
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jan 2015

where people going hungry is way too acceptable.

people there ARE starving in the streets. everywhere.

i am sure the view from your house is more accurate, tho. sure. sure.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
37. The problems in India have far more to do with culture and lack of birth control than with yield
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:37 PM
Jan 2015

And since we now know that GMO crops do not produce any higher yield than their conventional counterparts, and in some cases (as with cotton in India) less, then perhaps we don't really need them.

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
40. except that the nature article i linked says cotton yields are up.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jan 2015

and like here, the problem is the concentration of wealth and the caste system.

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
33. bitter seeds looks like bullshit to me.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jan 2015

and others-
How Seeds of a False Story Took Root and Spread
By Keith Kloor | May 9, 2012 12:42 pm
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When a questionable story gets rolling and takes on a life of its own, you can usually count on journalists to check it out thoroughly. Not that debunking it necessarily puts an end to the matter, as we discovered with President Obama’s birth certificate and the global warming hoax cooked up by thousands of scientists. Some stories, no matter how discredited, remain believable for certain audiences.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2012/05/09/how-seeds-of-a-false-story-took-root-and-spread/#.VL2mg4c-BE4

polly7

(20,582 posts)
46. Oh, I'm sure it does ............ to you.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jan 2015
Bitter Seeds (2011)

Awards

Showing all 4 wins and 0 nominations

Amsterdam International Documentary Film Festival 2011

Won

Green Screen Award Micha X. Peled (director)

Won

Oxfam Global Justice Award Micha X. Peled (director)
Teddy Bear Films Inc. (production company)

Cinema for Peace Awards 2013

Won

International Green Film Award Micha X. Peled
Teddy Bear Films Inc.

International Documentary Association 2012

Won

Humanitas Award Micha X. Peled (director/producer)


You can watch it here: http://www.alluc.com/l/Bitter-Seeds-2011-WEB-DL-x264-NoGRP-mkv/dpug0ll I'd never seen the whole thing before, it's heartbreaking.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
50. I don't believe suicides are anything to play about.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:38 PM
Jan 2015

You can disagree all you like, it doesn't change the facts.

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
53. an assertion of the rate and cause of suicides is a statistical task
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jan 2015

that i doubt is available in india. suicides are common.
and nature magazine says cotton harvests were, in fact, up.
your appeal to emotion does not sway me. sorry.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
54. All of the years of research and first hand accounts shown in the film
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jan 2015

sway me. Your assertions ....... not so much.

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
34. Doubts surround link between Bt cotton failure and farmer suicide
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jan 2015

“To be brutally honest there was nothing in there which was significant, given the scatter [of data] you had,” says Stephen Morse, professor of sustainable development at the University of Reading in the UK, whose farm extension studies were cited in the IFPRI report. “If they had done a proper [statistical] analysis they might have picked up something.” But he too is highly sceptical of a causal link between Bt cotton failure and suicide. “There is no evidence of any kind of a jump or any kind of surge.”

http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v27/n1/full/nbt0109-9.html

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