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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:23 PM Jan 2015

Hitchcock’s Holocaust film is powerful. But in a cruel world, empathy is on the wane (The Guardian)

Caution: Graphic

Thursday 22 January 2015 17.34 GMT



An unseen 1945 documentary about Belsen is finally to be screened. Can such images even shock us any more?

The women are smiling. The women ambling down the street, in sharp suits that now look fashionably vintage, look as if they’re off to a picnic or a show. In the next shot, their smiles have gone. In the next shot, the women from Weimar, who had known about Buchenwald, and been happy to make use of its labour, are staring at the shrunken heads of prisoners who tried to escape.

The women from Weimar were filmed by British soldiers in 1945. The soldiers were ordered by the British government to film some of the things they saw. At Bergen-Belsen, for example, they saw beautiful countryside and “well-stocked farms”, but then they smelled a strange smell. As the smell got stronger, they saw watchtowers and barbed wire. And then they saw the bodies. Piles and piles of bodies, but bodies which looked like skeletons wrapped in skin.

It was Sidney Bernstein who was commissioned by the Ministry of Information to create a documentary that would be “a historical record” and “a lesson for all mankind”. So he, and the editors he took on, and Alfred Hitchcock, whom he commissioned to oversee it, sat down to watch what the soldiers had filmed.

In all the camps they saw bodies. Naked, skeletal, disease-ridden bodies. In most of them they saw survivors too, though you couldn’t, said one American soldier, always tell who was dead and who was alive: “You would step over a body” and it might “suddenly wave at you or raise a hand”. It was, he said, “hard to imagine for a normal human mind”. And he was trying not to cry when he said it. “It’s not something you quickly forget.”

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Link: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/22/hitchcock-holocaust-documentary-belsen-night-will-fall

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Hitchcock’s Holocaust film is powerful. But in a cruel world, empathy is on the wane (The Guardian) (Original Post) inanna Jan 2015 OP
K&R SHOWING JANUARY 26th . . . SamKnause Jan 2015 #1
And I don't get HBO. inanna Jan 2015 #2
I'm sorry. SamKnause Jan 2015 #3
Here ya go zappaman Jan 2015 #4
Hey thanks for the link to that. inanna Jan 2015 #15
Thank you posting this; Raine1967 Jan 2015 #16
Those three minutes of silent footage in the film inanna Jan 2015 #20
I re-watched the entire film today. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #21
Try this, though it's likely that it can't be viewed outside the UK muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #17
Not only is empathy on the wane but time is taking COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #5
I think we have become fairly numb from 24/7 media exposure to horrors on TV, the Internet, appalachiablue Jan 2015 #8
I salute your father inanna Jan 2015 #9
Thank you for your kind words; I feel the same respect for veterans. Ten years ago I visited the appalachiablue Jan 2015 #10
It's been a life long dream of mine inanna Jan 2015 #13
It's a wonderful life experience, so well worth it. Hope you can see it, the majestic cemeteries, appalachiablue Jan 2015 #14
Where was your grandfather stationed in Britain? I meant to ask. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #11
Had to ask my brother! inanna Jan 2015 #12
Recommend....thanks for sharing your family experience. KoKo Jan 2015 #22
It's not just 'empathy being on the wane' QuebecYank Jan 2015 #6
I've just watched this, and it's powerful muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #18
I've not watched any beheadings, either. QuebecYank Jan 2015 #19
Is it really? Is the world more cruel or indifferent now Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #7

inanna

(3,547 posts)
2. And I don't get HBO.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jan 2015

Damn.

I really, really want to see this film.

Might have to wait for it to air on Netflix?!

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
16. Thank you posting this;
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jan 2015

I saw that film in my High School Social Studies class. Looking back it really did change my life and outlook forever.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
20. Those three minutes of silent footage in the film
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jan 2015

when the local town people saw with their own eyes the horror....

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
5. Not only is empathy on the wane but time is taking
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jan 2015

its inevitable toll and the survivors of this horror are rapidly dying off. As they do the whole subject of the Holocaust becomes more remote and increasingly less approachable. Sadly.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
8. I think we have become fairly numb from 24/7 media exposure to horrors on TV, the Internet,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jan 2015

Facebook, Twitter- constant drumbeat for continued war, ISIS coverage, Ebola reporting until the last election day for political purposes, then little; news saturated with sex scandals, infotainment, celebrities, sports mania. Now print journalism is declining because of the web, at least in the US. All do contribute to lack of empathy as the writer notes.

And time is passing, survivors & witnesses of that era are departing. The Guardian writer pointed out research that shows 30% of people now have little connection to their neighbors & communities. That I can believe with people working more hours than ever & spending enormous amounts of time on the computer, in front of TV.

There was less news coverage pre-web & pre-cable, but what was reported was followed by many. Although people always respond to events happening in their time & place, immediate threats & concerns, nothing in modern times surpasses the grotesqueness & scale of the Holocaust in Europe under Nazi terror during WWII.

In my family we've always cherished history, realizing that others don't always share the same interest. Mother told us as a little girl she saw Civil War Veteran soldiers from both sides at events in Philadelphia and Richmond. As well, my father served as a 24 year old 1st lieutenant in the 7th Army, in the Rhineland Campaign, at the Liberation of Dachau, April 1945 & in the Army of Occupation.

I'm very interested in learning more about that period now & will view this important film next week. I'm sure many will see it & renew interest.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
9. I salute your father
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jan 2015

along with with all other allied veteran HEROES.

>> As well, my father served as a 24 year old 1st lieutenant in the 7th Army, in the Rhineland Campaign, at the Liberation of Dachau, April 1945 & in the Army of Occupation.<<

That's some family history to be very proud of.

My Grandad was in the Royal Canadian Navy (stationed in GB during the war). He died when I was seven, so I've only ever really heard second-hand accounts of his service.

>> In my family we've always cherished history, realizing that others don't always share the same interest.<<

I know exactly what you mean.





appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
10. Thank you for your kind words; I feel the same respect for veterans. Ten years ago I visited the
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jan 2015

American Cemetery & US Museum in Normandy, one of the most moving places I've ever been in my life. It was a June day, on a tour group with a tight schedule; one Canadian switched, went to the Canadian Memorial Museum instead since his father had been in the invasion. I'd love to have seen it but lacked time.

They were the Greatest Generation I think more with time. What they & their parents went through, the Depression, the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918, polio, then WWII. Mom told us much, was a natural teacher, gave us our love of history, art, culture, current affairs. I was blessed with good parents. Her cousin joined the service during WWI but wasn't sent to Europe. And her father was registered then but not called.

Dad was strong, handsome, had a colorful personality & love of humor. Became an engineer after the war. He never discussed his time there, but didn't hide it & said a few things. He trained in Texas in AAA, anti aircraft artillery with large Swedish Bofur guns Mom told us. Crossing a border into Germany in '45 in a convoy his group was spotted by some German 88s, enormous rapid-fire powerful guns. His commanding officer flipped out or was wounded & Dad took over for which he received the Bronze Star that I now have.

I'm making time to continue family genie that Dad worked on with a Brit. professional. During the war he shipped from NY to Bournemouth, southern England. Turns out that area's close to where our English ancestors were from, Dorset. Dad remembered his time in England & got a kick out of that. I studied one summer in Cambridge, visited Munich & Bavaria in college, right where he was but didn't know at the time.
We were young, dumb & he passed in the 1980s, so I'm very grateful for what I have & am working on more information from any military records at the National Archives. I do love history as you see!

inanna

(3,547 posts)
13. It's been a life long dream of mine
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:52 PM
Jan 2015

to visit the Juno Beach museum in Normandy as well as the war cemeteries.

My ex actually did get to see Juno Beach and considered it one of the most poignant experiences of his life.

I'm so glad you were able to go.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
14. It's a wonderful life experience, so well worth it. Hope you can see it, the majestic cemeteries,
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:37 AM
Jan 2015

tribute Museums, cliffs, beaches and ocean below. We saw several remaining concrete German bunkers atop the beaches facing towards the sea, hedgerows and small towns. Once when young I crossed the channel by ferry from Dover's White Cliffs to Calais.

Without a doubt, much credit goes to Hollywood, Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, Matt Damon and all for 'Saving Private Ryan', the amazing motion picture story of the Allied D-Day Invasion toward victory.

Looking down at the cliffs and Atlantic that heavenly June summer day seeing where the men landed and fought at Omaha, Sword, Juno and Gold beaches was something I'll never forget. Our Dutch tour guide mentioned that 'Roosevelt' means Field of Roses in Dutch, beautiful.

So your grandfather was in Manchester, home of labor, the Guardian and more. Defending the Atlantic was a major effort especially with German Uboats, Hitler's Atlantic Sea Wall and V2 rocket launches. Mom told us how they had to always put the window shades down at night in Va. Beach and No. Carolina because of the submarine danger.

I've been to Canada only briefly twice unfortunately, once from Detroit and a day visit to Vancouver from Seattle. I've never seen more but would like to. Don't travel as much as I once did, but it was a good deal including South America, Europe and the Caribbean.

I'm a history and art person, duh! Have worked in the DC area at the Smithsonian, the National Archives, the National Gallery of Art, and Union Civil War Fort Ward Museum in Alexandria that was part of the Defenses of Washington, a large ring of 100+ earthwork forts surrounding the Capital that Lincoln quickly ordered for protection in 1861.
A colleague worked at the National Holocaust Museum in collections- incredible material there and an excellent learning museum.

The Archives holdings are immense, including Captured German Records. I've seen cans of Zyklon B gas shown to me by the Archivist in charge of that Dept., wonderful scholar, the original scrapbooks of Ava Braun, Civil War muster rolls and pensions, WWWII US Navy Service Records, the wax holder skippet for the seal and signing of the Louisiana Purchase, Indian treaties, letters signed by Lincoln, the original Emancipation Proclamation and more things than I can remember!

inanna

(3,547 posts)
12. Had to ask my brother!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Grandad was stationed in the Isle of Wight and spent most of his service in the North Atlantic.

Edited to add: Grandad was born in Manchester. Came to Canada as a young boy with his parents, then enlisted and was sent back to the UK during the war.

QuebecYank

(147 posts)
6. It's not just 'empathy being on the wane'
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jan 2015

We see so much horror on TV, social media (beheadings on YouTube), etc., that it doesn't shock us anymore. We've become numbed to the sufferings of people, for a variety of reasons. Damn shame, but it's the truth.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
18. I've just watched this, and it's powerful
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jan 2015

I'd say far more so than anything we see on TV about current events. I've never watched an actual beheading on the internet, because it seems ghoulish to satisfy my curiosity like that. But this, with endless bodies, from a system that was killing people faster than it could make survivors bury the dead, is deeply moving.

QuebecYank

(147 posts)
19. I've not watched any beheadings, either.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:31 PM
Jan 2015

But the media goes on and on about them, I find it sickening. It's almost as if they're reveling in it, not realizing that they're basically acting as part of a recruitment tape for Isis, Al Qaeda, etc. We need the media to treat things like this respectfully. The media reflects us, and us, them. Unfortunately, I don't see either side willing to change.

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