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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:48 AM Nov 2015

Turkey could cut off Islamic State’s supply lines. So why doesn’t it?

by David Graeber, The Guardian UK

In the wake of the murderous attacks in Paris, we can expect western heads of state to do what they always do in such circumstances: declare total and unremitting war on those who brought it about. They don’t actually mean it. They’ve had the means to uproot and destroy Islamic State within their hands for over a year now. They’ve simply refused to make use of it. In fact, as the world watched leaders making statements of implacable resolve at the G20 summit in Antalaya, these same leaders are hobnobbing with Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, a man whose tacit political, economic, and even military support contributed to Isis’s ability to perpetrate the atrocities in Paris, not to mention an endless stream of atrocities inside the Middle East.

How could Isis be eliminated? In the region, everyone knows. All it would really take would be to unleash the largely Kurdish forces of the YPG (Democratic Union party) in Syria, and PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ party) guerillas in Iraq and Turkey. These are, currently, the main forces actually fighting Isis on the ground. They have proved extraordinarily militarily effective and oppose every aspect of Isis’s reactionary ideology.

But instead, YPG-controlled territory in Syria finds itself placed under a total embargo by Turkey, and PKK forces are under continual bombardment by the Turkish air force. Not only has Erdoğan done almost everything he can to cripple the forces actually fighting Isis; there is considerable evidence that his government has been at least tacitly aiding Isis itself.

It might seem outrageous to suggest that a Nato member like Turkey would in any way support an organisation that murders western civilians in cold blood. That would be like a Nato member supporting al-Qaida. But in fact there is reason to believe that Erdoğan’s government does support the Syrian branch of al-Qaida (Jabhat al-Nusra) too, along with any number of other rebel groups that share its conservative Islamist ideology. The Institute for the Study of Human Rights at Columbia University has compiled a long list of evidence of Turkish support for Isis in Syria.

And then there are Erdoğan’s actual, stated positions. Back in August, the YPG, fresh from their victories in Kobani and Gire Spi, were poised to seize Jarablus, the last Isis-held town on the Turkish border that the terror organisation had been using to resupply its capital in Raqqa with weapons, materials, and recruits – Isis supply lines pass directly through Turkey.

Commentators predicted that with Jarablus gone, Raqqa would soon follow. Erdoğan reacted by declaring Jarablus a “red line”: if the Kurds attacked, his forces would intervene militarily – against the YPG. So Jarablus remains in terrorist hands to this day, under de facto Turkish military protection.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

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Turkey could cut off Islamic State’s supply lines. So why doesn’t it? (Original Post) uawchild Nov 2015 OP
Turkey under Erdogan 6chars Nov 2015 #1
They have oil 2naSalit Nov 2015 #2
Hmmmm ... what if Putin starts bombing that pipeline ? eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #3
Actually, I suspect... 2naSalit Nov 2015 #4
Interesting related story; Turkey seems to want to act unilaterally, yet have NATO protection. icymist Nov 2015 #5
I don't think they would go rogue, especially since this fits the kick Russia US policy yurbud Nov 2015 #6

6chars

(3,967 posts)
1. Turkey under Erdogan
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:53 AM
Nov 2015

Islamist dictatorship, sometime tactical buddy of ISIS, decimator of the Kurds. Our NATO ally.

2naSalit

(86,508 posts)
2. They have oil
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:28 PM
Nov 2015

and I'm sure he can supply "cheap" oil to his country and some others this way. Notice that the oil supply line also goes directly to Turkey.

We need to make oil a noneconmic thing, a noncommodity... with renewables.

eppur_se_muova

(36,257 posts)
3. Hmmmm ... what if Putin starts bombing that pipeline ?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:37 PM
Nov 2015

No cheap oil for Turkey, until Russia is satisfied ?

2naSalit

(86,508 posts)
4. Actually, I suspect...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:47 PM
Nov 2015

Russia was starting to do that, or at least targeting the transport vehicles last week after the Paris events. Perhaps that's the back story nobody wants to talk about in light of the recent Turkey/Russia fighter jet event? The big, slimy, crude elephant in the room.

I've been really ill the past few days so I missed a lot of news, tried to catch up last night when I was starting to feel better.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
5. Interesting related story; Turkey seems to want to act unilaterally, yet have NATO protection.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:39 PM
Nov 2015

At least, that's my take on it.

Turkey jails two journalists over claims Ankara supplied arms to Syrian jihadis

A court in Istanbul accused Can Dündar (pictured above) and Erdem Gül, two journalists with the opposition daily "Cumhuriyet," of "divulging state secrets" and "spying in aid of terrorist organizations."

In May 2015, the two journalists had published a video on the newspaper's website dating back to January 2014 that allegedly showed Turkish police open Syria-bound crates of weapons and ammunition on trucks belonging to Turkey's intelligence agency, MIT.

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Erdogan has previously attacked news publications, including titles published abroad, saying that the UK-based "Guardian" should "know its limits" and attacking the US daily "The New York Times" , saying there was "Jewish capital behind it, unfortunately."

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, meanwhile, made comments defending the truck shipment, saying that they were carrying aid for Turkmen fighters without further specifying their content.

"It is nobody's business what was inside the trucks. Yes, there were serious clashes in Syria and we helped the Turkmens," Davutoglu said in a television interview with the Turkish news channel Haberturk.

http://www.dw.com/en/turkey-jails-two-journalists-over-claims-ankara-supplied-arms-to-syrian-jihadis/a-18878867
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