Thu Dec 31, 2015, 06:34 AM
newthinking (3,982 posts)
Endless War, Undeclared and Undebated
Endless War, Undeclared and Undebated
The Obama administration is waging war all over the world — without congressional authorization. Foreign Policy in Focus http://fpif.org/endless-war-undeclared-undebated/
Continued: http://fpif.org/endless-war-undeclared-undebated/
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Author | Time | Post |
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newthinking | Dec 2015 | OP |
tecelote | Dec 2015 | #1 | |
daleanime | Dec 2015 | #4 | |
daybranch | Jan 2016 | #13 | |
SammyWinstonJack | Dec 2015 | #6 | |
Scuba | Dec 2015 | #2 | |
Indydem | Dec 2015 | #3 | |
The_Commonist | Dec 2015 | #5 | |
SammyWinstonJack | Dec 2015 | #7 | |
gordyfl | Dec 2015 | #8 | |
Fast Walker 52 | Dec 2015 | #9 | |
mountain grammy | Dec 2015 | #10 | |
zeemike | Dec 2015 | #11 | |
Mr_Jefferson_24 | Jan 2016 | #14 | |
Doctor_J | Dec 2015 | #12 | |
Sancho | Jan 2016 | #15 |
Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 06:57 AM
tecelote (4,701 posts)
1. Hillary will continue our endless wars and probably escalate them.
Time to reinstate Democracy in America before we bring it to other countries who have not asked for it.
We can not afford Healthcare for all but we can afford regime change for Syria? How about getting our priorities staright? It's within our power to change directions by voting for and electing Bernie. All we have to do is vote and encourage as many others as possible to vote. A large voter turn out and Bernie will win. |
Response to tecelote (Reply #1)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:46 AM
daleanime (17,796 posts)
4. +1
A mistake she's willing to make again....
And again.... And again.... |
Response to daleanime (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 07:27 AM
daybranch (1,309 posts)
13. You mean like NAFTA, CAFTA and
who actually trusts here not to support the Trans-Pacific Partnership?
Hillary is a negotiator helping the oligarchy maintain the status quo, where they rule and the vast majority suffers. Or her mischaracterizations of situations such as how she said Glass- Steagull would not have prevented the banking disaster because he real problem was shadow banking knowing full wel that the bills reinastituting Glass-Steagull address and the shadow banking problem as well. Of course her plan is better than anyone's and you just have to trust me, no one tells me what to do. They do not have to, she gives a lot of speeches explaining how she can help the banks, rhe international corporations and Wall Street to avoid regulation as much as possible. Hillary is a valued advisor and advocate for Wall Street, the banks, large corporations and the bilionaires. In this way she is no different than Mitch McConnell or republican financial advisors on major policy. But having power to attract democrats in the battle for public opinion and possibly be elected president gives them increased influence and they are willing to use their money , their control over many congressmen and women, their think tanks, and their control of main stream media, and the democratic establishment dependent on their donations ( investment) to keep Bernie from winning the primary by any means possible. So a vote for Bernie is a vote against theoligarchy and a vote for reppresentative democracy. No way in Hell can we realistically expect the same from Hillary! Go Bernie! |
Response to tecelote (Reply #1)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:47 AM
SammyWinstonJack (43,780 posts)
6. Regime change IS our priority it would seem.
This country sucks, now and going forward, unless something drastically and dramatically changes.
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Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:05 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
2. Not the change I'd hoped for.
Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:12 AM
Indydem (2,642 posts)
3. Someone needs to learn to read.
Obama is not in violation of the War Powers Resolution.
There was an authorization for the use of force. The WPR does not sunset any authorization. Period. Full stop. The author is simply ignorant. |
Response to Indydem (Reply #3)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:28 AM
The_Commonist (2,518 posts)
5. Whew! Thank god, a technicality!!
So glad you found a way to justify endless war by finding that loophole!
YAY WAR!!! |
Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:24 AM
gordyfl (598 posts)
8. We Need Change. Real Change.
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Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:27 AM
Fast Walker 52 (7,723 posts)
9. this endless war bullshit needs to end
the war on terror has only created more terrorism.
https://shadowproof.com/2015/12/17/war-on-terrorism-has-created-more-terrorism/ |
Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:38 AM
mountain grammy (22,476 posts)
10. We need a president who will shut down the pentagon
and the American war machine without getting assassinated.
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Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:38 AM
zeemike (18,998 posts)
11. perhaps the war is not intended to be won.
The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no dirffereent past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact.
George Orwell |
Response to zeemike (Reply #11)
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 05:18 AM
Mr_Jefferson_24 (8,559 posts)
14. 0rwell had it exactly right.
Response to newthinking (Original post)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 02:53 PM
Doctor_J (36,392 posts)
12. The president's showing his true ultra liberal self since the midterm, just like the BOG promised
TPP, more war, a comic climate change agreement in France. No more conservatives for me, ever.
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Response to newthinking (Original post)
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 07:04 AM
Sancho (8,253 posts)
15. It's so naive to think this is new...
First, the Afghanistan/Iraq wars were pretty minor in terms of casualties in my lifetime:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war Korean War; about 40,000 Vietnam War; about 60,000 Afghanistan; about 2,000 Iraq; about 5,000 Some of us took over public buildings and burned draft cards - not to mentioned picked our candidates to vote for - many years ago. We managed to force a withdrawal from Vietnam. After that, there was very little protest when the first Bush put an army in Kuwait which was the real beginning of our current involvement. The MIC has been putting bases around the world and starting wars for 60 years at this point in the "modern era". Electing Bernie or any other President won't change the current dynamics. It will take a complete change of Congress; which isn't going to happen with half the country glorifying the military. Even Bernie bought in with Lockheed Martin, the F35, and numerous other votes to continue paying for the MIC. It's simply illogical to think that there is any significant difference between any current Presidential candidates except that Hillary is much more informed of the international players; and Rand Paul is crazy, but likely an isolationist. No current President will get anything past the current Congress. Obama has tried and done what he can. |