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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 08:04 PM Dec 2015

Russia Deploys Advanced Cruise Missiles in Major Navy Reboot

The Russian military intends to expand deployment of its most sophisticated non-nuclear cruise missiles for attacks at land and sea under a sweeping naval modernization, according to an analysis by the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence.

Plans to install the Russian navy’s new KALIBR-class missiles even on vessels such as corvettes, or small warships, “is profoundly changing its ability to deter, threaten or destroy adversary targets,” the U.S. agency, known as ONI, said in a report posted on its website. “With the use of the land attack missile, all platforms have a significant ability to hold distant fixed ground targets at risk using conventional warheads.”

The KALIBR class is “a more capable Russian domestic version” of weapons it has marketed for export over the past decade, according to the report. The new weapons include sea-launched, land-attack models that were fired into Syria from a submerged Russian submarine, according to Russia’s state-run TASS news service.

While U.S.-Russian tensions have escalated over President Vladimir Putin’s intervention in Syria’s civil war to prop up President Bashar al-Assad, as well as his earlier moves in Ukraine, the 68-page ONI report is mostly a matter-of-fact account of Russia’s successes in modernizing its navy.

‘Continuing Challenges’

Still, the intelligence office said Russia’s continuing development of anti-ship missiles “with improved design features” such as supersonic speed and evasive maneuvers, “will present continuing challenges to U.S. and allied naval forces.”

The KALIBR-class, with ranges of as much as 2,500 kilometers (1,553 miles), improves on export weapons such as the supersonic anti-ship, sea-skimming cruise missile known as the Sizzler. Chinese submarines are equipped with the Sizzler, according to the Pentagon’s annual report on China’s military capabilities.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-30/russia-deploying-advanced-cruise-missiles-in-major-navy-reboot

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Russia Deploys Advanced Cruise Missiles in Major Navy Reboot (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2015 OP
Russia has modernized all its missiles Cayenne Dec 2015 #1
Is this a fact or some conspiracy/wacky scary thing packman Jan 2016 #4
It is not a conspiracy, the Russians accidentally released information Cayenne Jan 2016 #5
Sources, sources, sources packman Jan 2016 #6
there are no reputable sources; it's all six corps Cayenne Jan 2016 #7
I m conflicted rafeh1 Jan 2016 #2
It's the most common set of constraints. Igel Jan 2016 #3

Cayenne

(480 posts)
1. Russia has modernized all its missiles
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:49 PM
Dec 2015

This is a big deal but I know bored DUers would rather worry about climate change. Maybe nuclear winter will offset global warming?

The Russians have also developed a way to make tsunami waves with big nuclear torpedoes. They are undetectable and unstoppable.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
4. Is this a fact or some conspiracy/wacky scary thing
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

"The Russians have also developed a way to make tsunami waves with big nuclear torpedoes. They are undetectable and unstoppable"

And - YES - DUers are worried about climate change. Aren't you?

Seems like you are saying we all have our heads up our asses because we aren't have an automatic spasmodic attack about Russian missile upgrades.

Cayenne

(480 posts)
5. It is not a conspiracy, the Russians accidentally released information
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

Just google 'Russian nuclear torpedo'.

The Russians have made it a point to showcase their latest in Syria. Submarine launched cruise missiles. Stealth cruise missiles, as if ISIS would appreciate that, released from bombers.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
6. Sources, sources, sources
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

You made the claim, show me where you got it.

This type of crap is right out of hysterical, fear generating so-called newsrags. Of course the Russians have nuclear torpedoes, as we do - it's called the Arms Race.

I did take the trouble to Google "tsumani", "Russia" and other key words and all I got was fringe fear mongering sources. If YOU had investigated you would have found that such experiments were carried out and found to be ineffective as far back as the 50's and only would have been effective in areas where water could be channeled such as an inlet. Even the Bikini H-bomb blasts only spun out a 6 ft. wave something like 1 mile from the center of the blast.

Cayenne

(480 posts)
7. there are no reputable sources; it's all six corps
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jan 2016

Between the so called reputable corporate media and the new alternative media I'll take the alternative for all its faults. This is about a widely reported incedent of an accidental Kremlin leak. That the lame stream did not pick up on it does not make the story untrue. Cable news, not just Fox, is active psy-ops, propaganda and disinformation and should be avoided.

A plan to create a tsunami was not elaborated on but that does not mean there is no plan for one. Several mega bombs at the 3000' level (alleged max torpedo depth) maybe could raise a substantial wave in the right place like at the head of Chesapeake Bay. The other H bombs exploded in water were experiments and don't think they were expected to make a big wave. Even if a huge wave is not possible a very large nuclear explosion in your bay is still frightening enough.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
3. It's the most common set of constraints.
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jan 2016

Intuitively, we recognize that to be defenseless is to be victimized by the next wannabe bully that comes along. We may scream about how it's wrong for X to happen and you can't blame the victim, but we do when ideology stops acting. You get drunk, strip down and pass out in the middle of the road clutching $10,000 in your hand and nobody's going to say how unjust life is when you wake up robbed and with a cold. Leave your front door open for two weeks with the car keys on the floor just inside while you go on vacation and nobody's going to say you were unjustly victimized if somebody burgles your house.

But nobody likes the idea of having to kill, because some of us die, some innocents on the other side die, and a lot of stuff is destroyed--and the money we spend on defense and war has opportunity costs, spend $500 billion on defense and you don't have it for root beer floats.

Add in a suspicion that our foes aren't really our foes and don't intend anything bad (Obama's ostensible problem with Putin and others), that our real foes are domestic corporations who want to take away our $, and that there are evil men hiding under beds that want to lure us into a war just to take away more of our $ or kill "our" kids and it's a hat trick.

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