"Hey Bernie and Hillary Supporters, Stop Being Dicks to Each Other"
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The truth is, if elected, neither candidate would be able to get the majority of their policies through given the GOP would most likely retain control over Congress and the Senate. That means the better political operator stands the best chance of enacting real progressive policies when in power. This fact has been made crystal clear under Obama's presidency. During his first term, Obama's hopey-change platform was essentially neutered by rabid Republican opposition. It was then rekindled as Obama learned the art of Presidential politics and began to play Republicans at their own game and pass all sorts of progressive legislation while no one was paying attention.
Who would be better at this game, Clinton or Sanders?
The truth is, we don't really know. While many have written Sanders off as an airy fairy liberal who would get annihilated by any middling Republican talent, that perception couldn't be further from the actual reality. Sanders is highly adept at navigating the machinations of the US government. For proof of this, read the stunning account of Matt Taibbi's time with the Senator in Washington in the summer of 2005, where, as Taibbi wrote, "Sanders introduced and passed, against very long odds, three important amendment[s]". Continued Taibbi:
A fourth very nearly made it and would have passed had it gone to a vote During this time, Sanders took on powerful adversaries, including Lockheed Martin, Westinghouse, the Export-Import Bank and the Bush administration. And by using the basic tools of democracy – floor votes on clearly posed questions, with the aid of painstakingly built coalitions of allies from both sides of the aisle – he, a lone Independent, beat them all.
Hillary Clinton is also a legendary political operator - a veteran who not only spent 8 years helping her husband navigate treacherous Republican obstructionism in the 90's, but was elected to the Senate twice as a representative from New York and ran an incredibly competitive presidential campaign against Barack Obama. Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State was also remarkably smooth, with her approval rating skyrocketing to an all time high.
Conventional wisdom says Clinton would be the better operator in office, largely due to the fact that she is not perceived as being radical. But while there is merit in the belief that electing a centrist Democrat is the best thing to do, the GOP's treatment of President Obama - a centrist by any sane definition - lends credibility to the notion that it doesn't really matter any more.
The fact is, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders would be infinitely better than any of the brain dead lunatics currently running for the Republican nomination. The two most viable GOP candidates are a slightly less stupid version of George W. Bush and an insane hotel owner who believes starring in a reality show qualifies him to run for President.
It's still early days, but the worrying tribalism that tore the Democratic party apart in the 2008 election is beginning to rear it's ugly head. Supporters of Clinton and Sanders have been lobbing bombs at each other over social media as their campaigns ramp up, and the rhetoric is getting nastier and nastier.
For the love of God, if you are doing this, please stop.
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Trajan
(19,089 posts)If most of my opponent's supporters are blocked from my feed ....
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)of any person on this site. Even if I thought it was distasteful there is an old saying that the only solution to poor speech is more speech. Both groups have blocked people because they dislike the message (or how it was proposed) so much that they aren't willing to listen. It seems to me the Hillary supporters do not want to address the evolutions and it seems the Sanders supporters do not want to address his weaknesses, just overlook them. This is the one time I can say both sides do it! Either way with the results we will have a short time to make up the difference in enthusiasm that is current being seen at the ballot box. So if Hillary is nominated I will help to get her elected. This is a change I have made recently, I was still going to vote but now I will help, but only if given the assurances that Hillary supporters will help the Sander supporters hold her feet to the fire regarding her evolutions. What do you folks think is the best way if your candidate's opponent wins?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)and corporate campaign financing.
Liberals oppose those things, conservatives champion them.
Nitram
(22,791 posts)...to attack a Democratic candidate for the presidential nomination. Not to mention their gleeful and nasty ad hominem name-calling.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I really don't care one way or the other about Hillary supporters on DU. This isn't where minds are changed and beliefs tested.
But I do care about what is being delivered to the voting public via the corporate owned media.
And I intend to keep pointing out the many examples of TV pundits and Clinton sycophants attempting to tilt the playing field in her favor. If that's what Mr Cohen calls being a dick, I'm a dick.
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daleanime
(17,796 posts)I encourage them not to vote for him, just like I do not want to vote for someone who see warfare as a profitable enterprise.
If you disagree with me, you disagree with me.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)as might be our chances of forestalling a President Trump.
I keep seeing Hillary haters threatening to boycott the election, although that could give it to one of two or three horrific Republicans. This would be to teach someone a lesson, although I'm not sure who that someone would be.
I find it difficult to understand how any sentient person could hate either Bernie or Hillary so much that they would allow even the slightest chance of Trump or Cruz getting within a block of the White House.
katsy
(4,246 posts)I agree with the op. But wished it went a step further.
If our Democratic leaders really gave a chit about us... We would be looking at our P & VP and the order wouldn't matter.
It's my dream ticket. It would unite us.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)I do not want Bernie Sanders removed from the Senate to be a vice president. That would be a silly move. He and Elizabeth Warren calling out the gop will be far more powerful than the work he could do as veep. Just my thoughts. The revolution Sanders calls for isn't a one time deal. His campaign is the beginning, it is up to us to carry it forth. It is up to us to demand the things we want instead of ask. Again, if Hillary supporters let her return to her former stances I will remove the help offered, it's that simple.
katsy
(4,246 posts)Food for thought. Thx
villager
(26,001 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)I believe either will have an easier time getting their agenda through with a Democratic Senate and a moderate-to-left-leaning SCOTUS. There's not a whole lot the GOP can do with only a small majority in the House against the full force of the rest of the US government.
villager
(26,001 posts)Though somewhat less toxic, as you note, is still a step forward....
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)the vote in all corners of the US...take the congress and the WH from the grip of fascism...united we stand, divided we beg! (Union motto is fitting)
AllTooEasy
(1,260 posts)I voted for Obama in the AZ primary and GE. I came across many of his asshole supporters too. You just have to separate a candidate's positions from the rabid fans/clowns who support them.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)And just leave this one up for a day or so.
LS_Editor
(893 posts)I won't be talked down to by someone who doesn't know Congress is composed of both the Senate and the House of Representatives.
Canadian Interloper
(37 posts)Such rudeness! Were they up here, they'd all be arrested and prosecuted for Felonious Impoliteness, the only crime left in Canada that is still punishable by death! 
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)this is a real question, folks.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)But you need to be careful. However ugly the comments get here, I've never heard of either Hillary's or Bernie's supporters beating up political opponents.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"Hillary was caught in a bit of a lie. When she was first lady, she went to Bosnia when it was war-torn. She said that she faced sniper fire -- never happened. And had to run to the car for cover -- never happened. If only she had channeled that active fantasy world into her marriage." --Bill Maher
"Have you been following the story about Reverend Wright, Barack Obama's pastor? Hillary said if her pastor had made the comments that Reverend Wright had made, she would have left that church. Interesting distinction she makes. She also says if her pastor had been blown by Monica Lewinsky, she would have stayed." --Bill Maher
But that's his job. So it is ok for Bill to make jokes, only the professionals on TV get to make jokes. Those other people are mean, Bill's just saying Hillary lies and has a bullshit marriage, so be nice people!
underpants
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Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)Bernie guy here but I agree Clinton is light years better than the fascist theocratic opposition.
