The uncomfortable truth about gun rights supporters – sometimes they are right
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/22/gun-rights-supporters-national-rifle-association-nraLois Beckett
...Let the record show: calm, reasonable, friendly Americans also believe in gun rights...
...As incomplete and imprecise as much gun data is, the bigger picture is clear: most guns are not being used in crimes. Most gun owners are not committing crimes.
Even David Hemenway, a leading public health researcher who is skeptical of how many good things are done with guns, concedes this point.
The large majority of gun owners arent going to do anything good or bad for public health with their guns this year, he said.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)interviewed Randy Weaver or George Zimmerman.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...besides 'virtue signalling' that you generally don't like gun owners?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)elected by the membership:
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)There was no way for her to interview the vile Nugent, because if you had actually
bothered to read the linked article, you would have known that:
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...yearly convention that they have to pay for themselves- why, then they'll have a
real chance to counter the NRA.
Until then, gun control advocacy will remain a bastion of ineffectual slacktivism and dependency
on the largesse of wealthy patrons.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)white wing crud.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)..the NRA can, and so antigun activism nowadays consists of largely of ineffectual online
handwringing, shouting and handwaving, present company not excepted.
Tl;dr version: The NRA is organized, its opponents are not, and unless and until they
do get organized to nearly the same level they will remain a source of political noise, not power
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)We would not be having this conversation..
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)beergood
(470 posts)whats your opinion of this women? do you honestly believe she is a right wing raciest homophobe?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Did you watch that video with her rant on Democratic Socialists, Jerry Brown, Gavin, BS about Lenin and the Constitution, etc.
300gools
(20 posts)IMO.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Very rarely, but once in a great while he says something remotely factual. Of course that's no reason to side with him.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...it resonates with his low-information voting base, who ignore all the rest of his routine.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Why do so many think that they must have guns in their homes? What about the statistics about the presence of a gun in the household vastly increasing the chance that someone in that household is shot by that gun?
How about the toddler who finds the gun and shoots her brother?
How about the suicides?
And moving in the direction of having ALL guns registered, ALL gun owners required to have some sort of insurance (which given the vast number of guns out there would probably be quite cheap), required to report stolen guns within 48 hours, required to take some sort of gun safety course on a regular basis. For chrissakes, we require cars to be registered and drivers to be licensed, and the essential use of a car is NOT to kill or wound living things.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)You don't like the NRA? Good, I don't like them either- but to use your words: So what?
Unless and until gun control advocates start playing realpolitik at the same
level that the NRA does, they will remain largely a loose group of Keyboard Kommandos.
The following is not an effective tool to bring about gun control, yet it remains
popular for some reason:
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I know that makes me a nutcase.
But how about starting with registering ALL guns, licensing ALL gun owners, and have real consequences for those who don't register or license. And hold ALL who sell guns, whether privately or otherwise, responsible for making sure an appropriate background check, license, and registration.
I'm so fucking sick and tired of the weak, "Oh, we can't do anything," and then the only response to the latest round of gun violence is a minute of silence? How effective is THAT.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)When you and other like-minded people can organize enough to hold an annual convention with tens of
thousands of attendees, then you might get part of what you want.
Until then, most gun control activism will remain 'gun control slacktivism'
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I don't own any guns.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)'Non-possesion of an inanimate object' =/= 'taking action'
beergood
(470 posts)hence the expression "registration leads to confiscation." why else be so adamant about registration?
"And hold ALL who sell guns, whether privately or otherwise, responsible for making sure an appropriate background check"
agreed, i live in CA. we have UBCs i have no problem with them. it insures that any firearm i sell does not end up in the wrong hands.
Nitram
(22,663 posts)The point is that they are against legislation that would reduce deaths by gun violence and increase the ability of law enforcement to enforce gun laws that are on the books by instituting universal registration and universal background checks.