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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 03:16 PM Oct 2016

Another Repugnant devaluing a perfectly good metaphorical use of a word

Last edited Thu Oct 27, 2016, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Republicans co-opting terms, often introduced by Democrats, changing their usage is a real pet peeve of mine. They like the sound of the word and in typically ignorant manner use it with their own meaning attached to it, thus bringing about its demise in political discussions. In an interview Newt Gingrich began his assault on the term "Alternative Universe" used so often to explain Conservatives stubborn adherence of screw-ball theories despite the preponderance of evidence which debunks their point of Conservative doctrine.


Megyn Kelly, Newt Gingrich and the Universe Wars


It's still another case of a Repugnant devaluing a perfectly good and useful metaphor. The use of the word "parallel" or "alternative" universe (or "reality" as Hillary Clinton used it in the last debate in reference to Trump's bizarre rants which defy rational explanation) has been used for some time now to legitimately characterize any one of the extended fantasies spun and elaborated upon by Conservative Propagandists with serene indifference to manifold documented facts which stand diametrically opposed to said Conservative doctrines.

Now, Gringrich devalues the word's metaphorical use by saying that both Democrats and Repugnants occupy "alternative" or "parallel" universes. IOW, it's merely a matter of opinion. But there's method to Gingrich's obtuseness. He WANTS to devalue the word's metaphorical usage to describe the penchant of Conservative's for parroting nut-job theories and Big Lies - serenely oblivious to the empirical evidence which neatly debunks their fantasies.

Democrats, presented with a problem, follow the facts and apply logical analysis to arrive at a practical, effective public policy. They don't assert a position unless the facts and legitimate studies provide proof that the position is valid.

It is NOT the case that people of both political persuasions hold equally empirically groundless policy positions. The Conservatives have made a lifestyle of being oblivious to the fact based reality the rest of us live in. It is only they who cling to a non-empirical 'Alternative' Universe.
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Another Repugnant devaluing a perfectly good metaphorical use of a word (Original Post) Bill USA Oct 2016 OP
That term isn't owned by anyone, D or R. kristopher Oct 2016 #1
but he is using the term in a new way which takes all the meaning out of it, as I explained in OP Bill USA Oct 2016 #2
If you think his usage "takes all the meaning out of it"... kristopher Oct 2016 #3
Gingrich is saying there are two "alternate" or "parallel" universes which are equally valid. NOT! Bill USA Oct 2016 #4
Where I'm coming from... kristopher Oct 2016 #5

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
1. That term isn't owned by anyone, D or R.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 12:14 PM
Oct 2016

And I don't see any legitimacy to the reasoning in the article. People of all stripes have been using it as a pejorative for a long time without owning it in any sense.

I also disagree with the idea that people who disagree with me are living in a fact free world. The disagreement is almost always rooted in how we prioritize the things we think are important. When we don't think something is important that another person values above all else, it seems like they don't operate with facts, but that really isn't capturing the nature of the disagreement in a way that is helpful.

ETA: And if you disagree with my overuse of the word disagree please submit your disagreement in writing for a disagreeable rebuttal to be issued within 90 days.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
2. but he is using the term in a new way which takes all the meaning out of it, as I explained in OP
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:00 PM
Oct 2016

The point made in OP is that the Democrats are not formulating pubic policy out of a separate universe insulated from logic and empirical evidence as Conservatives are when they continue to assert things (e.g. Global warming isn't real but a hoax, Tax cuts for the wealthiest people makes the economy grow) as true when there is plenty of documented facts and logic based empirical studies which debunk the notions they subscribe to.

The OP is really not difficult to understand.




kristopher

(29,798 posts)
3. If you think his usage "takes all the meaning out of it"...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 04:06 PM
Oct 2016

then I think you're a) over-reacting and b) short on knowledge of how language works.

You're engaging in hyperbole.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
4. Gingrich is saying there are two "alternate" or "parallel" universes which are equally valid. NOT!
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:45 PM
Oct 2016
"short on knowledge of how language works" ... you know attempting to put down someone who you disagree with is one of the first rules of disinformation promulgation. Only thing is, it's a little obvious. LOL!


[font size="3"] here is the exchange between Kelley and Gingrich:[/font]

Gingrich: The next two weeks are a contest of two parallel universes….

Kelly: All of the polls in Pennsylvania have her ahead.

Gingrich: I know! I just told you! We have two alternative universes right now.


Kelly: I’m sorry, did you just say that we have two alternative universes and they are fighting?

Gingrich: Yes, Megyn. I did. Like a comic book.

Kelly: (Blinks repeatedly) Honestly that explains a lot. Especially the arcs of the female characters.

Gingrich: Your Earth-45 facts are no better than my facts here in Earth-44. We are at war.



[font size="3"] Notice the words: "Your Earth-45 facts are no better than my facts here in Earth-44. We are at war."

He is saying Dems have no more factual basis for what they assert than Conservatives do. That's Bullshit.


.... He is devaluing the use of "alternate universe" .. which has been used to refer to Conservative Propagandist's continued assertion of theories (as proven fact) .... in serene indifference to the documented facts which show said theories are bullshit.

Do you understand "Your Earth-45 facts are no better than my facts here in Earth-44." that he is saying the Conservative's alternate universe is as valid as what Liberals/Dems assert.

that is bullshit. as I explained clearly in OP. Dems arrive at their public policy positions by use of logical analysis of actual observed facts.

It's really pretty simple.


...Please try to avoid use of Punk Talk. IT's sad to see such transparent disinformation efforts here on DU. You can find plenty of that kind of thing on Discussionist.


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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. Where I'm coming from...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:59 PM
Oct 2016

My minor during undergrad days was linguistics. I focused on applied linguistics - which is how people actively use language. I worked my way through school teaching English to Japanese and continued doing independent research on the topic of how people employ language for several years.

You appear to be viewing my remarks through a prism that, frankly, raises concerns about your ability to maintain a healthy, reasoned amount of detachment. I mean, disinformation? Really?

Newt Gingrich is an asshat with virtually no relevancy to current events. Yet you are imbuing him with what would be, if your beliefs were true, a preternatural ability to control the minds of literally hundreds of millions of people as he rewrites the meaning of (I suppose) any word he utters.

You are making a claim that crosses the border into overt paranoia. Take a step back. Yes his claims are bullshit. Not only that, they are easily recognizable bullshit! And not only are they recognizable bullshit to you, they are recognizable bullshit to most people of any political suasion.

Take a deep breath and get together with a person you love; then spend a couple of days focused entirely on them.
Re-establish you connection to the real world by centering yourself on good, healthy emotions that are the product of real moments.

I disagree with virtually everything you write on the topic of ethanol, but I know you're a caring person because of what's behind your passion on that topic. I want the best for you.

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