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OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:08 PM Jan 2017

Was Trump's executive order an impeachable offense?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/30/was-trumps-executive-order-an-impeachable-offense/
Was Trump’s executive order an impeachable offense?
By David Post January 30 at 10:34 AM

[UPDATED BELOW] My co-bloggers Ilya Somin, Jon Adler, Orin Kerr and Will Baude — not to mention Ben Wittes’s withering critique over at Lawfare — have already dissected President Trump’s executive order (misleadingly titled “Protecting the Nation from Terrorist Attacks by Foreign Nationals”) (full text here) and addressed many of its more appalling features, including its cruelty, ineffectiveness and the truly staggering incompetence with which it was drafted.

But there’s more. Wittes correctly points to the absence of any “rational relationship” between the countries targeted by the ban and “any expected counterterrorism goods.”

The 9/11 hijackers, after all, didn’t come from Somalia or Syria or Iran; they came from Saudi Arabia and Egypt and a few other countries not affected by the order.




Update: Some commenters, fairly, suggested that there could be alternative explanations for the inclusion/exclusion, and that this doesn’t, standing alone, constitute malfeasance. Fair enough – perhaps the answer to the question I posed in the headline is “We’re not sure – but it sure as hell could be." So I think it is fair, at the least, to demand that he step down until he releases all of his financial information so we can figure out for ourselves whether or not our fears are justified.

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Was Trump's executive order an impeachable offense? (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Jan 2017 OP
Time to FOIL stuff..... Historic NY Jan 2017 #1
Perhaps not...but...there will be more that will be.. Stuart G Jan 2017 #2
He will get drunk on power and irritated... and then he will make a mistake. DetlefK Jan 2017 #9
If he defies court orders I would say it is still_one Jan 2017 #3
You beat me to it. Nt. Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #5
great minds think alike... still_one Jan 2017 #7
I don't think the orders are impeachable... Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #4
His non-compliance with the court orders should also be considered impeachable offenses. Sanity Claws Jan 2017 #6
Yes, I think this is where it crosses the line into impeachable. NT enough Jan 2017 #8
An "impeachable offense" is an offense for which one is impeached. malthaussen Jan 2017 #10
He issued the order BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #11

Stuart G

(38,420 posts)
2. Perhaps not...but...there will be more that will be..
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:11 PM
Jan 2017

And then after a few, we will have a point of no return..(for me, impeachment is already up, but for many it will take some time)

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
4. I don't think the orders are impeachable...
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:17 PM
Jan 2017

But, a continuous disregard for the judicial branch very well might be.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
10. An "impeachable offense" is an offense for which one is impeached.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jan 2017

It is self-defining. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is just so much window dressing. If you look at how impeachment has been deployed throughout history (most of the examples are British, and from the 17th century at that), you will find that impeachment occurs when the legislature has the desire and leverage to impeach somebody. It is almost always used for partisan politics, and some "offense" is manufactured to look good on paper.

-- Mal

BlueMTexpat

(15,367 posts)
11. He issued the order
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:26 PM
Jan 2017

over the objections of the agency concerned AND did not consult with legal advisers.

So yes, this is a fair question and yes, he should step down until he has fully, clearly and completely separated himself from his business interests which he has NOT done to date.

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