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riversedge

(70,087 posts)
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:32 AM Apr 2017

The Gateway City is building a massive tunnel system to capture billions of gallons of polluted stor

Lets hope the EPA does not lift any valuable regulations related to these type projects.







How a Sewer Will Save St. Louis

The Gateway City is building a massive tunnel system to capture billions of gallons of polluted storm water before it reaches the Mississippi.


By Erick Trickey

April 20, 2017



ST. LOUIS—Deep down a sunlit shaft, 175 feet under the North Riverfront neighborhood on the city’s far edge, Shayne Peck’s crew is beginning to hack a giant tunnel out of the limestone. Three men hang in the air on lifts, cutting into the rock face at spots marked with red paint. “They’re drilling holes,” says Peck, whose son is one of the drillers, “so we can load ’em with explosives.”

The start of the tunnel, just above the crew and the red-painted limestone, looks like the entrance to a cave in a cliff wall. Future blasts, Peck says, will deepen the tunnel—only 50 feet long now— until it stretches more than half a mile. This is not a tunnel for commuter trains or cars. It’s more of a horizontal well, and when it is complete in 2020, it will capture up to 12 million gallons of sewage-contaminated storm water, keeping it out of the Mississippi River. In effect, it will be a giant septic tank. But it won’t even be the biggest one in St. Louis.

The massive tunnel Peck has just started will soon be dwarfed by its successors. St. Louis is building a gargantuan system, including 28 miles of storage tunnels, to handle the city’s most stomach-churning water pollution problem. About 50 times a year, after major rainstorms, St. Louis’ sewers overflow, and 13 billion gallons of sewage-contaminated storm water escapes into the Mississippi River and its tributaries. It’s an everyday environmental nightmare and a risk to human health. And it’s a common, if largely undiscussed, urban American affliction.

All across the Northeast and Midwest, and in some regions beyond, more than 700 older cities still dump toilet waste into their oceans, lakes and rivers. The nasty problem is built into the cities’ infrastructure, a relic of early 20th-century engineering practices that were considered engineering triumphs in their day. The sewer systems, built decades ago, combine storm water and wastewater in the same pipes. On normal days, those millions of gallons of waste pass through a treatment plant. But after storms, the sewers become overwhelmed and the treatment plants can’t keep up. Instead of allowing the excess water to back up into streets and basements, the solution from decades past was to build overflow valves that divert some of the untreated flow into the nearest waterway. According to an Environmental Protection Agency report, just at the nation’s major beaches—a small portion of the country’s swimming areas—about 3,500 to 5,000 Americans a year get sick because of sewage-contaminated water.

That’s not OK anymore. Under pressure from the federal government, cities have embarked on decades-long projects to cut down on the sewage they spew. Since the 1990s, the EPA has used the Clean Water Act to take legal action against about 200 large and medium-sized cities. For big cities, the cost of compliance runs into the billions of dollars. ...........................




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The Gateway City is building a massive tunnel system to capture billions of gallons of polluted stor (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2017 OP
One of the innovative ways St. Louis has figured out to reduce storm water reaching its sewer syste riversedge Apr 2017 #1
What a project! democrank Apr 2017 #2
These are good jobs. hunter Apr 2017 #6
San Francisco has been making similar upgrades for the same reason. hunter Apr 2017 #3
This is the stupidest idea yet. JayhawkSD Apr 2017 #4
Man, you seem so sure of yourself that I am confident... ret5hd Apr 2017 #5
JayHawk, this IS an upgrade. Start thinking outside the box. Nitram Apr 2017 #7
There is no link to the original and complete story. JayhawkSD Apr 2017 #8

riversedge

(70,087 posts)
1. One of the innovative ways St. Louis has figured out to reduce storm water reaching its sewer syste
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:35 AM
Apr 2017

whow, I learn something new everyday. Good for St. Louis.











One of the innovative ways St. Louis has figured out to reduce storm water reaching its sewer system is by demolishing derelict homes and leaving the lot vacant. A vacant lot, such as this one on Labadie Street in central St. Louis, can absorb 10,000 gallons of rain water in a year. | Mark Peterson/Redux Pictures for Politico Magazine

hunter

(38,303 posts)
6. These are good jobs.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:29 PM
Apr 2017

It's work people can be proud of. They are making the world a better place in a very tangible way.

And it's another example of the necessity of worker safety regulations. In the bad old days, before unions and government regulations, workers were frequently maimed and killed doing this sort of work.

hunter

(38,303 posts)
3. San Francisco has been making similar upgrades for the same reason.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:59 AM
Apr 2017

The original sewer system was also used for street drainage.

On the other hand, street drainage is noxious too.

Every time it rains in California beaches get closed because of bacterial contamination, even in cities with separate sewer/drainage systems.

Holding urban storm runoff for later treatment is an excellent practice, and it's the right thing to do. EPA haters can go to hell. Decent people try not to make a mess in the first place and clean up after themselves when they do.

Keeping the air and water clean is an essential aspect of good government.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
4. This is the stupidest idea yet.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:14 PM
Apr 2017

The money would be better spent upgrading the sewage system so that it is adequate to serve the city and would not overflow. The idea of maintaining the inadequate status quo and spending vast sums of money to store the toxic byproduct of the inadequate system is both stupid and insane.

ret5hd

(20,482 posts)
5. Man, you seem so sure of yourself that I am confident...
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:25 PM
Apr 2017

you have run a detailed analysis of costs, time, efficacy, engineering, etc. I would sure like to see them.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
7. JayHawk, this IS an upgrade. Start thinking outside the box.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:18 AM
Apr 2017

They are not "storing the toxic byproduct." They are processing it before it can contaminate the Mississippi.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
8. There is no link to the original and complete story.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 01:10 AM
Apr 2017

But nothing in the portion provided in the original post gives any indication that the sewage being trapped in these caverns is being processed or treated. I went back and read it twice after reading your comment, and I see nothing that references treatment.

The portion provided does say that the system was "built decades ago" and that it "combine[s] storm water and wastewater in the same pipes." That is an archaic and totally unsatisfactory system, and the sane solution is to rebuild a more up-to-date system that does not combine sewage with surface drainage.

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