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icymist

(15,888 posts)
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 06:29 AM Aug 2017

Norms and Cliffs in Trumps America

Donald Trump and his minions have been engaged, we are told, every day, in violations of what are being called norms—the expectation, say, that the President will not engage in an open war with his own Attorney General, or make reckless accusations of illegality on the part of former Presidents. Google “Trump” and “norms,” and you find a huge, alarmed journalistic literature, enumerating the norms of political discourse that Trump has overturned that week or day—but those same pieces will also, more often than not, point out that, after all, overturning norms is what he was elected to do. When people accuse Trump of violating norms, there is a near immediate concession that they are, after all, only norms. One man’s favorite barstool is the next man’s barrier to bar-service entry. Emily Bazelon, writing in the Times Magazine, summed up the problem this way: “Though some of our core democratic values are wrapped up in norms, it’s still easy to ask: If no laws have been broken, what’s the problem?” Bazelon (who, it should be noted, is well aware that these questions are hard ones) observed that it was “natural enough for his supporters to dismiss talk of ‘norms’ as the useless hand-wringing of a worse-than-useless establishment.”

But respecting the rule of law is not a norm. Telling the truth about matters of state—or apologizing when you haven’t been able to tell it—are not “norms.” They are premises. They aren’t enumerated or listed in advance in a legal document, not because they’re merely conventional but because they make all the other conventions possible. They’re not the way we wear our hats; they’re the ground beneath our feet. Call them—well, call them Cliffs, after Norm’s beloved mailman drinking partner, inasmuch as we fall right off the moral mountain to our obliteration without them. We take them for granted because without them there would be no way of standing up at all. We don’t list them not because they are mere manners and conventions but because they are the unstated absolutes that let everything else go on.


For deflecting the discourse into one about norms, when we are really talking about premises and principles, is one more way of, well, normalizing Trump’s assault on democratic government. It turns what is really subversion into mere behavior.

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Norms and Cliffs in Trumps America (Original Post) icymist Aug 2017 OP
Ah. It is a "Cheers" reference. Igel Aug 2017 #1

Igel

(35,296 posts)
1. Ah. It is a "Cheers" reference.
Sat Aug 5, 2017, 10:07 AM
Aug 2017

I find that they're "norms." They're like premises, but not all-or-nothing.

Norms tend to be violable. We tighten them and make them restrictive on people we don't like, but grant broad latitude to those we do. They're much like garrotes versus neckties: Both can be strips of cloth that go around the neck and as such can be identical, but they have very different purposes and conditions. We shift from one to another invisibly: Those we talk to either have the same bias and agree with us without noticing or we really don't listen to the meaningless sounds that proceed from one or another of their orifices.

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