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Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 06:56 PM Sep 2017

WHY NO INDICTMENT FOR CONSPIRING TO MURDER CASTRO?


by Jacob G. Hornberger
September 15, 2017

During the Church Committee hearings in the 1970s, Congress and the American people learned that the CIA, in partnership with the Mafia, conspired to assassinate Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Ever since then, the U.S. mainstream media has poked fun at the various ways the CIA and the Mafia intended to kill Castro — e.g., via an exploding cigar or an infected scuba suit. In the process, however, the media has failed to ask a deadly serious question: Why weren’t the CIA and the Mafia ever indicted for conspiring to assassinate Castro?

Under U.S. law, assassination is considered murder. Anyone who assassinates another person is indicted and prosecuted for murder. That’s why, for example, that the accused assassin of President Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, was going to be indicted and prosecuted for murder. It’s why the assassins of former Chilean official Orlando Letelier, who killed Letelier on the streets of Washington, D.C., were indicted and prosecuted for murder. It’s why Mafia officials who have assassinated rivals or government officials have been indicted and prosecuted for murder.

Keep in mind also that we are talking about two separate crimes: murder and conspiracy to murder. The crime of murder involves the actual wrongful taking of another person’s life. A conspiracy to murder involves an agreement of two or more people to commit a murder. People can be convicted of conspiracy to murder even though they don’t actually commit the murder.

It’s not enough, however, in a conspiracy case for prosecutors to show only an agreement to murder. To secure a conviction, they must also prove that the conspirators committed what the law calls an “overt act” to advance the conspiracy. If two or more people simply agree to commit a murder but commit no overt act, then they cannot be convicted of conspiracy to murder.

More:
https://www.fff.org/2017/09/15/no-indictment-conspiring-murder-castro/
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Eko

(7,245 posts)
1. Maybe
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:01 PM
Sep 2017

because of the Cuban missile crisis and then Executive Order 11905 which "offered the United States' first ban on assassination (political): "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination." that wasn't until February 18, 1976.
It looks as though it wasn't Illegal before that from what I can see.

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
2. From poisoned cigars to exploding seashells: How Fidel Castro survived 'more than 600' CIA assassina
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 01:06 AM
Sep 2017

From poisoned cigars to exploding seashells: How Fidel Castro survived 'more than 600' CIA assassination attempts before passing away at 90

- Fidel Castro survived more than 600 reported assassination attempts before his death on Friday evening
- President Kennedy authorized Operation Mongoose to topple Castro
- The CIA developed a series of James Bond-style assassination plans
- Included poisoned cigars, exploding sea shells and a mafia-style execution
- Former mistress and femme fatale was Marita Lorenz employed by the CIA to slip him poisoned capsules in another failed attempt
- 'If surviving assassination attempts were an Olympic event, I would win the gold medal',' Castro once said of the attempts on his life

By HANNAH PARRY FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 02:38 EDT, 26 November 2016 | UPDATED: 12:13 EDT, 26 November 2016

After surviving more than 600 reported assassination attempts, former Cuban president Fidel Castro passed away peacefully aged 90.

The controversial Communist leader, who ruled his country with an iron fist as a one-party state from 1959 to 2008, spent most of his fifty years in the cross-hairs of the U.S. government.

'If surviving assassination attempts were an Olympic event, I would win the gold medal',' he once said of the multiple attempts on his life.

Fabian Escalante, who protected Castro, claims that there were 638 CIA plots to assassinate him, in plots which would seem at home in a James Bond movie.

More:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3973264/From-poisoned-cigars-exploding-seashells-Fidel-Castro-survived-half-century-crackpot-CIA-assassination-attempts-passing-away-90.html

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
11. I posted it to inform the poster before my post that the assassination attempts continued
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:51 PM
Sep 2017

well after 1976.

Would you be gracious enough to point out to me how I framed that post as being Late Breaking News?

You are too kind.

SCantiGOP

(13,865 posts)
5. speaking of which...
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:49 PM
Sep 2017

Did you know who the source was when you posted? This site is beyond right-wing; describes itself as 'anarcho-capitalist.'

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
6. What do you find in the article to be false? Please don't hesitate to post it.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

I went directly to the article, found it interesting, am unacquainted with the source. I have heard the information before, repeatedly, over years, in research, and in documentaries.

Regarding your original comment, you seemed to have jumped your track, in trying to move on to the next attack.

If you pay attention, at DU you will discover in using headlines posters do copy and paste headlines exactly as they appear.
It is expected in LBN.

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
7. Close but no cigar: how America failed to kill Fidel Castro
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:36 PM
Sep 2017

Close but no cigar: how America failed to kill Fidel Castro
From poison pills to exploding molluscs, the CIA and its allies tried everything to take out the Cuban leader
Duncan Campbell
Saturday 26 November 2016 08.41 EST

From the famous exploding cigars to poison pills hidden in a cold-cream jar, the CIA and Cuban exile groups spent nearly 50 years devising ways to kill Fidel Castro. None of the plots, of course, succeeded but one of his loyal security men calculated that a total of 634 attempts, some ludicrous, some deadly serious, had been made on the life of El Comandante.

On one occasion, aware that Castro was a keen scuba-diver, the CIA devised a cunning plan. Documents released under the Clinton administration confirm that the agency invested in a large volume of Caribbean molluscs with the intention of finding a shell big enough to contain a lethal quantity of explosives. The idea was that the molluscs would be painted in vivid colours to attract the attention of an underwater Castro.

Eventually this plan was abandoned, as was another that involved preparing a custom-made diving-suit infected with a fungus that would cause a debilitating skin disease.

. . .

The obsession on the part of the CIA and their exile allies perhaps only had a modern equivalent in the hunt for Osama bin Laden. As Wayne Smith, the former head of the US interests section in Havana, said a few years ago: “Cuba seems to have the same effect on American administrations that a full moon has on a werewolf. We may not sprout hair and howl but we behave in the same way.”

More:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/26/fidel-castro-cia-cigar-assasination-attempts

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
12. At what point did I post anything suggesting Fidel Castro has been angelic? Why would you post that?
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:53 PM
Sep 2017

It might be fine if you let some bad feelings go without trying to attack someone without a legitimate reason.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. Good god he cannot be serious...
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:59 PM
Sep 2017

The ridiculously simple and obvious answer is because Fidel Castro (like any other foreign national) isn't protected by U.S. laws...

So Judy, why are you posting nutbar screeds from this Lew Rockwell/Mises asshole? Just askin'....

https://twitter.com/jacobhornberger?lang=en

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
13. As I mentioned, I posted the article, unacquainted with the source, because the story is accurate.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:58 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Tue Sep 19, 2017, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)

It has been mentioned throughout all these decades, including the years during the George W. Bush occupancy of the White House.

I went for the information, not the author. I make it a habit NEVER to look up twitters of any author who has written something I intend to post, knowing it to be true. If I looked up everyone's bio. or twitter I wouldn't have time left to post.

If he chooses to comment on real information, that's a good thing. That's what I will post.

I don't know him otherwise.

Why take so much of your time trying to attack me repeatedly through this thread?

I have never gone after you, after having noticed your political positioning long ago.

I generally don't have the time, nor inclination, nor personality to harrass people.

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