How to Fix the Democratic Party
Its time we come together to enact real reformonly then can we defeat Donald Trump and retake the country.
*Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.
This is not some abstract, insular debate. The future of Democratic Party institutions has everything to do with whether or not Democrats have the grass-roots energy to effectively take on Trump, the Republican Party and their reactionary agendaor whether we remain in the minority.
What are some of the reforms that are desperately needed?
First, it is absurd that the Democratic Party now gives over 700 superdelegatesalmost one-third the number a presidential candidate needs to win the nominationthe power to control the nominating process and ignore the will of voters. . .
Finally, if we are to succeed, we must fully appreciate Braziles revelations and understand the need for far more transparency in the financial and policy workings of the Democratic Party. Hundreds of millions of dollars flow in and out of the Democratic National Committee with little to no accountability. That simply is not acceptable.
At a time when we have a Republican president and Republican Party whose leadership and agenda are strongly opposed by the American people, now is the time for real change. It is critical that we come together and reform the Democratic Party. When we do that, we will win local, state and national elections and transform our country.'
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/10/bernie-sanders-how-to-fix-democratic-party-215813
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)and try to help.
'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.'
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)You're not helping by shoving non-Democrat Sanders down people throats.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)old school Democrats had a GREAT night on Tuesday.
It's always awkward when a pre-written, predictive narrative is proven false by the actual facts.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Without bringing a large percentage of
Independents to our cause - the LARGEST of the three major voting blocks - no Democrat can win.
So, why diss the most popular Independent of our time, one who caucuses and votes with Democrats close to 100% of the time, and risk alienating Bernie's multitude of supporters?
Makes no sense!!
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)That's why Democrats won.
My county (with a population greater than that of the state of New Hampshire) went BLUE for the first time in many, many years on Tuesday. The "you can't win without us" faction didn't lift a finger to help.
Kudos to Tom Perez and the DNC for turning the page.
delisen
(6,042 posts)Independent Party at the present time. Possibly Sanders fans could organize such a party
Independent voters are unorganized -some lean Democratic, some lean Republican, some are ardent Trump supporters, some are neo nazis and so on. democrats do receive large numbers of independent votes.
We are not alienating people who register or identify themselves themselves as independent to pollsters.
Sanders supporters were unable to score him a primary win when he ran as a democrat. Possibly if he were to run as an independent in primaries he will be more successful.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)And his prerogative.
As you know he caucuses with Dems, and the party would welcome him if he chose to join the Democratic Party. He doesn't want to. And that's his choice.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Pick one of those options. Not both. One.
elleng
(130,740 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Time to unify. And guess what? To win elections, you need INDEPENDENTS... a larger voting block than Democrats and Rethuglicans. So, how bout treating the most popular Independent politician with a little respect.
Don't think that's too much to ask for the sake of unity.
elleng
(130,740 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Unity would be him joining our party, not offering drive by advice which is little more than consulting with foxes about hen house security.
elleng
(130,740 posts)DON'T pay attention, please:
'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.
This is not some abstract, insular debate. The future of Democratic Party institutions has everything to do with whether or not Democrats have the grass-roots energy to effectively take on Trump, the Republican Party and their reactionary agendaor whether we remain in the minority.
What are some of the reforms that are desperately needed?
First, it is absurd that the Democratic Party now gives over 700 superdelegates.'
The Polack MSgt
(13,182 posts)We need to change to accomodate people who hold us in disdain?
That's the new definition of unity?
If your holding out for a response that is basically "we surrender what we've been for the last 30 years so people who've avoided us for 30 years will FINALLY LOVE US!"
Well. Be prepared to be disappointed
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)I used to think it didn't matter, but at seems at this point he is just being stubborn and contrarian. His choice of course though.
Party leadership has embraced him, why not join?
Do you have a good argument as to why he shouldn't?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)SandyZ
(186 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.'
Welcome to DU.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It is obvious that leading Democratic politicians value his advice.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)what everyone needs to do to get rid of Trump and the GOP.
msongs
(67,361 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)and has maintained Democratic goals and values for his entire career. If we don't recognize and take advantage of this fact, we suffer.
'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.'
LuvLoogie
(6,933 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)chose not to work with Democrats in VA or Nassau County, NY for this year's election, and Democrats performed brilliantly.
Kudos to Tom Perez. I hope he stays with the winning formula.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)Happily voters did not buy that.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Arguing labels is counter productive. It almost sounds like nationalism only the Democratic party. What would that be, partyism? Argue the content if you must.
elleng
(130,740 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)"Finally, if we are to succeed, we must fully appreciate Braziles revelations and understand the need for far more transparency in the financial and policy workings of the Democratic Party. Hundreds of millions of dollars flow in and out of the Democratic National Committee with little to no accountability. That simply is not acceptable."
I think that Democrats fully appreciate Brazile's revelations and are appalled that an interim chair neither understood the limits of her own power nor had any problem issuing threats to overturn the will of the people based on her misperceptions:
As per WaPo based on their advanced copy of "Hack",
"Whenever Brazile got frustrated with Clintons aides, she writes, she would remind them that the DNC charter empowered her to initiate the replacement of the nominee."
As for Donna et alia not understanding why money raised by JFA with individual state parties was deposited in seperate accounts, they need to review the federal statute that requires that that money be held in that manner until the loser concedes to the winner of the nomination. It does not inspire confidence that these people seem to have no idea how JFA's actually work.
And although it is true that the superdelegates have the theoretical power "to control the nominating process and ignore the will of voters", if it did not happen in 2016 amid all the personal threats, I doubt it will ever happen.
I do agree that we need greater financial transparency from candidates regarding their personal finances.
LuvLoogie
(6,933 posts)Stop undermining Democratic Solidarity by trying to disintegrate its structure and dilute its strength with dubious agendas.
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)At least I consider you my DU mom!!!
elleng
(130,740 posts)Already mom to a couple, and gramma to a few, happy we're together!
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)NCDem777
(458 posts)but he misses a key thing: Embrace the anti-war movement. Even when Dems do have control. When the GOP starts salivating for war, we have to hold our ground.
Dems were all keen about being anti-war, getting us out of the various tribal conflicts in the Middle East when Bush was in office. But when we were in office, we ramped it up. We helped create a huge refugee crisis that caused a rightward shift in Europe. And caused the anti-war movement to stay home.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)NCDem777
(458 posts)Pro-war Dems can't win the Presidency. Had she been anti-war, not only would she be President, Nazis in Europe would not have forced Brexit and gained power elsewhere.
We NEED the anti-war movement behind us again. Starting more wars but not being racist assholes about it doesn't cut it.
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)think of all those progressive agenda items those TRILLIONS of dollars wasted on the Iraq War - just one example - by those who supported it, could have paid for.
It's sad... not to mention infuriating!!!
delisen
(6,042 posts)that is their Iraq War Resolution vote?
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)That's why it's called a double standard.
How about a moratorium on military boondoggle projects like the F-35 jet, a stealth fighter that can't actually fight. A $1.5 trillion pork project like this is the military-industrial complex's very best friend. Think of the economic justice that could be levied if that money wasn't funding the pet projects of politicians.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/air-force-admits-our-new-stealth-fighter-cant-fight
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)There are better ways to spend $1.5 trillion dollars.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)The project is a pork-laden boondoggle whose estimated cost is $1.5 trillion dollars.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)or maybe she had bigger priorities than winning.
delisen
(6,042 posts)It is impossible to know whether Obama would have voted with Biden, Kerry, Edwards, and Clinton after receiving intelligence reports re the 9/11/2001 attacks.
As president Obama was also Commander in Chief of our armed forces, and did take military action as presumably he deemed appropriate.
The double standard regarding women in positions of power is something Clinton has fought for decades.
Clinton's work on the worldwide fight for equality is unmatched-whether it was for human rights for women or democracy in Russia (a stand that earned her the wrath of anti-democracy Putin).
Bold stands in the cause freedom, justice, and equality are often not popular stands.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)use WMD on us or even on Israel.
CIA director George Tenet was forced to say that even if Saddam had nukes, he would only use them if we were invading and he was in danger of losing power.
Likewise, it would be foolish for any leader of a country to give terrorists nukes since they lose control of them the minute they leave their hands but would still be responsible for wherever they were detonated, and if the leader changed their relationship with us, they can't exactly keep terrorists from still using it.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)who Clinton herself admitted in her emails was the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, and who the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said gave extensive financial and operational support to the 9/11 hijackers.
You are confusing propaganda for foreign policies with actual causes and goals.
Please read Stephen Kinzer's OVERTHROW, John Perkins' CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN, Naomi Klein's SHOCK DOCTRINE, or hell, even Zbigniew Brzezinski's THE GRAND CHESSBOARD.
Wars, coups, and who we make alliances with have little to do with democracy and human rights and everything to do with making the already very wealthy even wealthier and protecting their foreign investments.
The rest is just propaganda.
Ask the people of Iraq, Libya, Syria if they feel like they have more human rights as they dig through the rubble, or the people of Honduras or the Donbass after we backed coups against elected governments.
Saying that Hillary voted like those men did does not give her cover. It reminds everyone that they made a cynical political calculation that cost thousands of lives of our troops and likely over a million Iraqi lies.
Democratic Party leaders would do well to listen to their base instead of the "bipartisan consensus" for regime change, especially in countries that can fight back.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)Sanders writes about unity, you get all "whataboutism" on us and bring up stale memes from the primary.
I will remind you that Bernie is not a pacifist.
BTW there was not much daylight on foreign policy between Bernie and HRC during debates. Lots of 'I agree w Senator Clinton', "I agree with Senator Sanders". Incompetent Comic Book Ideologue had to manufacture fake differences to throw red meat.
delisen
(6,042 posts)Very much like FDR who wanted, and figured out ways, to intervene when Europe and England were under the threat and actual attack by Nazi Germany.
He was constantly fighting the isolationists of both his own party and Republicans.
Finally and inevitably we were attacked and the appeasers and isolationists had little choice but to act.
Clinton has also been very busy for a long time on human rights, equality, healthcare. Her body of work is remarkable.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)This is the third or fourth article in the last few days about the same damn thing. Are you expecting different responses?
elleng
(130,740 posts)as don't like contentious matters.
MAYBE some will learn somethings.
murielm99
(30,717 posts)why did you post something critical of Democrats, something from a non-Democrat?
How many times does this have to be posted?
elleng
(130,740 posts)it suggests ways to improve the way we do business. As I've said, I haven't read the other similar pieces.
AND, as to a 'non-Democrat,' as I've said, he has maintained Democratic goals and values for his entire career. If we don't recognize and take advantage of this fact, we suffer.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Alas...
George Eliot
(701 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 2, 2017, 09:15 PM - Edit history (1)
We are not playing sports here and joining together in the best interests of the people is what Sanders is saying. Too much Monday night football I think.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)and smiling on Wednesday.
I would recommend that it's always wiser to frame the narrative after the results are in rather than before.
George Eliot
(701 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)We are not playing sports here, indeed.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Why is he so fixated on the Dem Party is what I want to know? It's not the party of his choice and one he doesn't care to join. So why does he want to control the agenda? He has Our Revolution, why doesn't he involve himself with them, advise them on how to pick winning candidates and leave the business of the Dems to the Dems?
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)that links to a polititian's website rather than to the DNC Unity Commission page.
Me.
(35,454 posts)And here are 3 other questions that article brings to mind...1. I thought they have a bucket load of money leftover so why does he have to keep fundraising for a Senate seat he's sure to win 2. who's the we he keeps referring to and 3. Isn't it time to come clean on those tax returns
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)re-election campaign"; The actual donation form states : "Your contribution will benefit Mr. Politician".
Dang, I was hoping that the money would go to the help the DNC Unity Commission do its work.
Don't think I care much for statements about money that aren't specific
Nitram
(22,768 posts)us.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)And she's been backpedalling ever since.
Unity? Some DU'ers need to stop promoting the false Putin-Assange "rigged primary" meme.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)"Finally, if we are to succeed, we must fully appreciate Braziles revelations and understand the need for far more transparency in the financial and policy workings of the Democratic Party. Hundreds of millions of dollars flow in and out of the Democratic National Committee with little to no accountability. That simply is not acceptable."
There was full accountability of the DNC's finances as per federal statute. The DNC was legally prohibited from releasing money deposited to the states until the loser conceded.
I do agree, however, that personal financial transparency should be required of every candidate.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:33 PM - Edit history (1)
We should note that "Our Revolution" is a 501c PAC which means it doesn't need to reveal its donors or how much they have given.
Agreed 100% that DNC should have more transparency. But people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
delisen
(6,042 posts)Squinch
(50,916 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)If you read this part:
*
to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.
it is fairly obvious that, label or not, Sanders sees the Democratic Party as the best vehicle for advancing a progressive agenda.
elleng
(130,740 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)I'm not sure why anyone would be talking about the "current failed approach" after last Tuesday.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I am not sure why anyone cannot recognize that Sanders has energized voters, and that energy is resulting, so far, in an enthusiastic electorate.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)I think that BS has energized some people. I really haven't see much evidence of his having energized Democratic voters.
delisen
(6,042 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)is just stubborn contrarianism.
I used to think it didn't matter, no need for Bernie to join.
It's still his decision of course.
If he believes in the Democratic Party as the vehicle for progressivism (and he's correct), just join the damn party. Stop standing outside, come on in!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Sanders is working with Democratic leaders, and they are soliciting his input and help. A mutual relationship.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)like mere stubbornness and contrarianism.
Of course it is totally his prerogative. But it is started to make less and less sense to me as he becomes more dedicated and involved in the Democratic Party.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)just as much as a formal member of the Party. But obviously the Democratic leadership values his advice and help so I do not understand why so many seem to view it as a negative.
Me.
(35,454 posts)And how is constant carping moving the agenda forward? The only thing it's moving is people away from him.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)If we were talking about Jill Stein that would be another matter. She is obviously in politics for the publicity value.
Me.
(35,454 posts)It's not appreciated coming from Stein or Sarandon or any of the others who take pot shots at the Dems either. Our Revolution could use direction, why doesn't he head on over there, after all, that is his group.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)whatever those are.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a13107999/nina-turner-womens-convention/
Me.
(35,454 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:32 PM - Edit history (1)
After all, they are separate and not attached to or a part of the Dem party in any way whatsoever. But she also shouldn't be mistaken in thinking she has the right to make demands or determine the direction of the party. If she can find a progressive Republican (IMHO an oxymoron) good luck to her but she better be careful about being played cause so far the judgment of she and her group is close to batting zero.
RandySF
(58,510 posts)emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)and the party would turn to him for salvation. Makes his and Our Revolution's lack of support for Northam more understandable.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)camps we're not going to beat the RW machine that got us where we are. Thinking that the wins on Tuesday were purely and singularly the power of the Democratic party on rise is not realistic. The wins on Tuesday were the disdain votes against the gop and its minions.
Yes, the Dems are going to rise but the spectrum of voter positions have changed over the last 20 years ie. lots of dying off and a lot of young voters have taken their place. We must find common ground and give up unwarrented pride in the branding.
(This is a general comment on all the previous posts in this thread. )
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)People were voting for something not just "disdain votes"
I am going to link to Northam's Victory speech where he elucidates what we stand for.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017465689
Please do not promote the disgusting Republican meme that Dems have no ideas except anti-Trump because it is a bald faced lie.. Thank you.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Being in support of affordable health care and wanting gun control is directly connected to disdain for the status quo of our gop controlled government that is denying us both.
As for your last statement:
I didn't promote such a thing. I did not say Dems have no ideas other than anti-trump. But the sentiment of disdain for Trump is widespread in all political camps and it's a fact. The gop know this and it's a psychological ploy to undermine an opponent by making a fact unspeakable, twisting it into a non-fact. If the gop blames anti-trump sentiment for their ills so be it. If they are twisting that point to blame Dems then it's projection on their part.
It would be a mistake for us to fall for their game by denying one fact to deflect a lie they use to shut us up.
Call a fact a fact, a lie a lie but don't obscure a fact with a lie.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)we need to stop doing. I think maybe you were saying similar.
Anyway and have a good weekend.
samnsara
(17,605 posts)..I mean they can post money in money out on some kind of internet spread sheet and those of us without a life can eyeball it. I would rather trust them. And I will trust them until they give me a reason not to.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)of funds are governed by the Code of Federal Regulations, a federal statute. Compliance is carefully monitored by both the FEC and the Feds. I recall warnings being issued by the FEC in 2016, but they concerned neither the JFAs, the DNC, nor the nominee.
Unfortunately, because extensions were granted and a final accounting was never submitted, we still don't have answers to the questions that were actually raised and investigated by the FEC. I agree that we need rigorous disclosure and transparency in all these matters.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)The whole basis for him staying in the race, even after the voting stopped, was that the SDs could give him the nomination.
Moreover, there was never a possibility of the SDs giving the nomination to Hillary Clinton. We had already established that in 2008.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)lowkey.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)and reiterated from November 8-10, was not adjusted to reflect the reality of November 7.
"Here's the problem: the strategy the Democratic Party has been pursuing in recent years has failed."
A grave dance is especially awkward when it begins before the patient's death and continues even if the patient recovers, but rewriting a narrative is hard work. Maybe they were hoping that people wouldn't notice exactly how out of touch and wrong the grave dancers are.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)than vote. When we vote, we win.
DinahMoeHum
(21,774 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)the like as hard as they kicked their base, there would be no Republican Party.