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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:22 AM Jan 2018

Take a deal for the dreamers. Build the wall. - Washington Post Editorial Board

By Editorial Board January 10 at 7:21 PM

PRESIDENT TRUMP says he is optimistic a deal can be struck to shield “dreamers,” the young undocumented immigrants whose lives he put in jeopardy by stripping them of work permits and deportation protection, beginning March 5. His price, and that of many Republicans, is up to $33 billion in border-security measures, including Mr. Trump’s “beautiful” wall. If that’s the deal — not one freighted with a laundry list of other items on the GOP wish list — Democrats should take it.

Granted, Mr. Trump once told Americans that a border wall, paid for by Mexico, would cost $4 billion. After that, he said $6 billion or $7 billion, and later $10 billion. Now his administration says it’s really $18 billion for 722 miles of wall, of which just 316 miles would be a brand-new structure along the 2,000-mile southwest frontier. Oh, and Mexico’s credit card seems to be missing.

The wall is a dumb idea. It won’t do much to suppress illegal border crossings, which in any event have been falling for decades. And the additional border-security spending proposed by the administration, including thousands of new Border Patrol agents, is largely a waste. Rather than seriously addressing the opioid epidemic, or mounting cyberwarfare threats, or America’s crumbling infrastructure, the president wants to fortify a border where illegal crossings, as measured by Border Patrol apprehensions, are already at their lowest point since the Nixon administration. But consider how rare it is that a dumb idea in Congress actually buys something smart in return. In this case, the return on that dumb idea would be huge. (And betting that the courts will save the dreamers is too risky, notwithstanding a federal judge’s ruling Tuesday freezing dreamers’ protections — for now.)

The wall’s $18 billion price tag would be spread over a decade. If a few billion dollars annually is the trade-off that provides certainty — a pathway to citizenship or permanent legal status — for nearly 700,000 young immigrants brought to this country as children by their parents, it’s worth it. Because the alternative — all those lives ruined, all those jobs lost, all that education and promise cut short — is much worse.

Democrats who choke on the wall, loath to hand Mr. Trump a political triumph, might ask themselves what other deals they might strike that would do so much tangible good, for so many people, so immediately — and at such a relatively modest price. The likely answer is: very few.

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Take a deal for the dreamers. Build the wall. - Washington Post Editorial Board (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
No Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #1
No, No, and NO! Ohiogal Jan 2018 #2
I don't negotiate with terrorists. n/t Downtown Hound Jan 2018 #3
I'm sorry hell NO! Va Lefty Jan 2018 #4
No, nope, nyet Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #5
We can't be 'them.' yallerdawg Jan 2018 #6
Don't worry about the dreamers or the wall. dubyadiprecession Jan 2018 #7
No. Itd be a 2,000 mile monument to stupidity, bigotry and waste. Fuck him. kysrsoze Jan 2018 #8
It would be far cheaper to pay each dreamer a huge sum of liquidated damages so they can rzemanfl Jan 2018 #9
Yes! Now your "thinking outside the border". dubyadiprecession Jan 2018 #10
I have an idea: Jeff Bezos can pick up the tab. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #11
This is just another attempt murielm99 Jan 2018 #12
Give him what he stated he would do. russ1943 Jan 2018 #13
Let WaPo pay for it. Orrex Jan 2018 #14

Ohiogal

(31,897 posts)
2. No, No, and NO!
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:28 AM
Jan 2018

"A few billion dollars" could be so much more well spent in areas that actually help Americans! And if this is allowed, it's like sanctioning and normalizing the insanity of building his stupid wall in the first place!

And, the biggest fraud .... Trump said MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR IT! NOT the U.S.!!!!!!

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. We can't be 'them.'
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018

We don't hurt people just for 'shits and giggles.'

They need a handful of Democrats to pass most anything now - and there are Democratic opportunities ahead.

They would never give 'immigration reform' to a Democratic president.

But that idiot in the White House? Yeah, they'll happily hang it on him!

If they can get one more 'talking point' out of it. "Border security first!"

dubyadiprecession

(5,676 posts)
7. Don't worry about the dreamers or the wall.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018

People come here to stay illegally and may or may not get deported, and then they might re-enter this country illegally anyway. Our laws mean nothing, we might as well not have any immigration laws.

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
8. No. Itd be a 2,000 mile monument to stupidity, bigotry and waste. Fuck him.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:39 AM
Jan 2018

They also didn’t realize what they said in the last paragraph...

“Democrats who choke on the wall, loath to hand Mr. Trump a political triumph, might ask themselves what other deals they might strike that would do so much tangible good, for so many people, so immediately — and at such a relatively modest price. The likely answer is: very few.”

Exactly... Drumpf and the Repubs won’t do ANY other deals with them. Plus the battle is still going through the courts. Stupid, naive notion on the part of WaPo.

rzemanfl

(29,554 posts)
9. It would be far cheaper to pay each dreamer a huge sum of liquidated damages so they can
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:40 AM
Jan 2018

live in comfort in a more civilized country. It would not be right, but would cost less than the damned wall.

murielm99

(30,713 posts)
12. This is just another attempt
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jan 2018

to normalize trump and his half-baked ideas. No other President would get anyone to listen to such a crazy idea.

Stop placating this madman.

russ1943

(618 posts)
13. Give him what he stated he would do.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 02:54 PM
Jan 2018

Pass legislation guaranteeing a pathway to citizenship or permanent legal status — for nearly 700,000 young immigrants brought to this country as children by their parents, tied to his (stupid) wall. Funding for the wall as he has frequently stated, to come from Mexico, no US funds.

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