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appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:29 PM Nov 2018

THE INSECT APOCALYPSE IS HERE

The New York Times Magazine, Nov. 27, Excerpts: Sune Boye Riis was on a bike ride with his youngest son, enjoying the sun slanting over the fields and woodlands near their home north of Copenhagen, when it suddenly occurred to him that something about the experience was amiss. Specifically, something was missing. It was summer. He was out in the country, moving fast. But strangely, he wasn’t eating any bugs.

For a moment, Riis was transported to his childhood on the Danish island of Lolland, in the Baltic Sea. Back then, summer bike rides meant closing his mouth to cruise through thick clouds of insects, but inevitably he swallowed some anyway. When his parents took him driving, he remembered, the car’s windshield was frequently so smeared with insect carcasses that you almost couldn’t see through it.

But all that seemed distant now. He couldn’t recall the last time he needed to wash bugs from his windshield; he even wondered, vaguely, whether car manufacturers had invented some fancy new coating to keep off insects. But this absence, he now realized with some alarm, seemed to be all around him. Where had all those insects gone? And when? And why hadn’t he noticed?

Riis had not been able to stop thinking about the missing bugs. The more he learned, the more his nostalgia gave way to worry. Insects are the vital pollinators and recyclers of ecosystems and the base of food webs everywhere. Riis was not alone in noticing their decline. In the United States, scientists recently found the population of monarch butterflies fell by 90 percent in the last 20 years, a loss of 900 million individuals; the rusty-patched bumblebee, which once lived in 28 states, dropped by 87 percent over the same period.

With other, less-studied insect species, one butterfly researcher told me, “all we can do is wave our arms and say, ‘It’s not here anymore!’?” Still, the most disquieting thing wasn’t the disappearance of certain species of insects; it was the deeper worry, shared by Riis and many others, that a whole insect world might be quietly going missing, a loss of abundance that could alter the planet in unknowable ways. “We notice the losses,” says David Wagner, an entomologist at the University of Connecticut. “It’s the diminishment that we don’t see.” -MORE...

Read More, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/magazine/insect-apocalypse.html

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THE INSECT APOCALYPSE IS HERE (Original Post) appalachiablue Nov 2018 OP
It's been years since I've seen my windshield covered Beakybird Nov 2018 #1
Same here and it's a real bad sign. The last time was the Permian appalachiablue Nov 2018 #5
Comments from California: dalton99a Nov 2018 #2
Yes and same in the East. Tom H. was discussing this and how appalachiablue Nov 2018 #7
I've noticed it in my backyard in Indiana. bearsfootball516 Nov 2018 #3
Same here, as a kid lightning bugs in summer were prolific and appalachiablue Nov 2018 #6
Not convinced by the methodology yet Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #4
When I lived in Tampa for a short time, lovebugs crowded the roads, being attracted to... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #8
Birds that eat the bugs like Turtle Doves are disappearing appalachiablue Nov 2018 #10
Hartmann is not exactly an expert in entomology, so while I have no doubt... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #11
TH is conveying what he's read, like this NYT article. That's all. appalachiablue Nov 2018 #12
ALL birds depend upon insects to feed their young. Nitram Dec 2018 #21
And Trump is working to allow more use of neonicotinoids Botany Nov 2018 #9
TY for the info. and link. appalachiablue Nov 2018 #13
BTW I am an expert in this field ... more plants than bugs Botany Nov 2018 #14
I think it's due to climate change plus other factors as you say. appalachiablue Nov 2018 #16
Pesticide use and antiquated ideas are a big part of the decline in our insect populations ... Botany Nov 2018 #19
Sure, native plants & pesticide free is best for all. appalachiablue Dec 2018 #22
Meanwhile, each year I get more and more bug bites BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #15
That's annoying. I'm not getting more bites, but the ones I have appalachiablue Nov 2018 #17
I have to say that there has been littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #18
Thanx for the update & sorry to hear about giant mosquitos. appalachiablue Nov 2018 #20

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
5. Same here and it's a real bad sign. The last time was the Permian
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:45 PM
Nov 2018

Extinction Event when the INSECTS died off, as a radio host Thom Hartmann was just discussing.
Insect populations are declining and that means Birds and other creatures that need insects to survive are dying, and up the Food Chain.

WIKI. The Permian–Triassic (P–Tr or P–T) extinction event, colloquially known as the Great Dying, the End-Permian Extinction or the Great Permian Extinction, occurred about 252 Ma (million years) ago, forming the boundary between the Permian and Triassic geologic periods, as well as between the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras.

It is the Earth's most severe known extinction event, with up to 96% of all marine species and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct.
>It is the only known mass extinction of insects. Some 57% of all biological families and 83% of all genera became extinct. Because so much biodiversity was lost, the recovery of land-dwelling life took significantly longer than after any other extinction event, possibly up to 10 million years.

Studies in Bear Lake County near Paris, Idaho showed a relatively quick rebound in a localized marine ecosystem, taking around 2 million years to recover, suggesting that the impact of the extinction may have been felt less severely in some areas than others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event

dalton99a

(81,450 posts)
2. Comments from California:
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:38 PM
Nov 2018

Scott Man
Manhattan Beach, CA Nov. 27

I live in Los Angeles and over the years have driven up to the Bay Area (San Francisco, Napa, etc.) from time to time. I can recall in the early 90s driving up the 5 freeway through agricultural rich land to visit friends in San Fran. In those days I would typically have to stop twice to clean all the bugs off my windshield - they were too numerous and large for my windshield wipers and windshield washer fluid to keep up with. Just 2 weeks ago I made the same trip as I drove to Napa for a week of wine tasting. When I arrived in Napa I had a minimal amount of dead bugs on my windshield; I remember thinking “Where did all the bugs go?”.

The decline of insects appears to be just one more way nature is telling humanity that enough is enough. When are we going to wake up and take meaningful action, and stop grasping at the belief that global climate change is deep state lie? Hopefully it is not already too late.


California Resists
Berkeley CA Nov. 27

@Scott Man I have noticed this, too, going from the Bay Area to LA. There was one spot along 5 near Bakersfield where the insects were around in clouds. Now, nothing. I have a small orchard in northern Sonoma County. It used to be alive with buzzing in the spring when the trees were in blossom. Now, just a handful of insects visit the pretty trees. Apples don't do well now. And the only birds we see now are ravens and bluejays, with an occasional hummingbird. Where did the robins and all the others go? And no more Mexican house finches, with their beautiful springtime song. This is real and it is tragic.


Karen D
San Jose Nov. 27
@Scott Man

I have lived in the Bay Area for 30 years. I have noticed the startling decline in the number of insects in my yard. The wasps, ants, aphids, mosquitoes, beetles, house flies have dramatically declined. The number of spiders has declined as well. ( I do not use any insecticides in my yard.) While the decline in mosquitoes has been an intentional public policy due to West Nile Virus, and some insect loss is probably due to the long-term drought, the overall loss is frightening. I still have many hummingbirds that visit (due to feeders) and I'm attracting more bees to my yard by growing bee-loving plants. How much longer do we have before nature collapses?

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
7. Yes and same in the East. Tom H. was discussing this and how
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:56 PM
Nov 2018

truckers who've driven cross country for many years don't have to stop 5-6 times to clean off bugs anymore. And how bird species that eat bugs have disappeared- turtle doves and others in France and elsewhere.

It's caused by Climate Change, not pollution or pesticides he says.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
3. I've noticed it in my backyard in Indiana.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:40 PM
Nov 2018

When I was little, we'd go outside in the summer at night and catch lightning bugs, they'd be everywhere. I was visiting my parents last summer and went outside at night, and there wasn't a single one. They said they hadn't seen them for years.

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
6. Same here, as a kid lightning bugs in summer were prolific and
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:48 PM
Nov 2018

we'd also catch them. But no more, it's eery and dangerous.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. When I lived in Tampa for a short time, lovebugs crowded the roads, being attracted to...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:18 PM
Nov 2018

car exhausts of the time. Floridians, they still around?

Here on Long Island, even though surrounded by farmland and preserves there seem to be fewer bugs of all sorts. I think I had a total of three mosquito bites all year.

As much as we hate the cockroaches, skeeters and ticks, the biomass of insects is enormous, and it's impossible to imagine how we could do without them.

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
10. Birds that eat the bugs like Turtle Doves are disappearing
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:28 PM
Nov 2018

in France, and elsewhere. Monarch butterflies and rusty bumble bees have declined 90%.

Florida's always had pesky love bugs but I haven't heard relatives mention them in a long while.

All this relates to Climate Change, not pollution or pesticides, according to Thom Hartmann, radio host.

Dangerous for the earth, and us. The last time insects were killed off in mass was the Permian Extinction Event. (above).

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
11. Hartmann is not exactly an expert in entomology, so while I have no doubt...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:36 PM
Nov 2018

there is a problem, causes and solutions are up in the air.

Around here we've already been through serious problems with honeybees and many questions about agricultural chemicals. I've got to find some local researchers and ask them what's up.

I'm sure this is being studied up the gazoo, but it will take time for the research to be reviewed and get out.

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
12. TH is conveying what he's read, like this NYT article. That's all.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:44 PM
Nov 2018

Spare me the lecture. Of course the scientific community is conducting extensive research.

Don't look for much media coverage on environmental studies however, thank you chemical industry lobbyists.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
21. ALL birds depend upon insects to feed their young.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:26 PM
Dec 2018

One of the many reasons to use native plants for landscaping. Most native insects cannot eat non-native plants.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
9. And Trump is working to allow more use of neonicotinoids
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:23 PM
Nov 2018

BTW If you want to help please join the Xerces society and read Doug Tallamy's books

https://xerces.org

Botany

(70,489 posts)
14. BTW I am an expert in this field ... more plants than bugs
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:25 PM
Nov 2018

Pesticides, pollution, introduction of non native organisms into the local ecology,
loss or decline in different members and or trophic layers, climate change, and loss
or fragmentation of habitat all are factors in the loss of living organisms and the
overall supportive capacity of the environment.

any ?s you can p.m. me


thanx for posting this article

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
16. I think it's due to climate change plus other factors as you say.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:58 PM
Nov 2018

The 70-year post WWII explosion of pesticide use, industrial agriculture and giant factory farms plus pollution and toxins from mining and other industries, has negatively impacted our environment. There will be massive costs to pay.

I figured you studied science, plants and more, good to know. Being a plant, flower, garden and nature lover I'll visit gardens anywhere. Rachel Carson is a fav, her books and environmental advocacy were huge.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
19. Pesticide use and antiquated ideas are a big part of the decline in our insect populations ...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:27 PM
Nov 2018

..... our "gardens" tend not to be as environmentally friendly as they seem be.

However on your own and at the local level you too can make a big and very seeable
difference PDQ. I don't know where you live but by planting some smooth sumac,
new england aster, red milkweed, grey twig dogwood, american ginger, and some native
spring ephemerals you'll be amazed at what you see.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
15. Meanwhile, each year I get more and more bug bites
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:11 PM
Nov 2018

for a longer period of time . I am allergic to the bites and have hundreds of them each year for the past several years. Even my dentist said he noticed the change in the bugs and gets 10 bites as soon as he walks outside now.

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
17. That's annoying. I'm not getting more bites, but the ones I have
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:04 PM
Nov 2018

are more irritated, swell up, itch and last longer. So far I haven't had to go to a doc about it. I wonder if it's changes due to age, metabolism, etc.? Hope you are doing ok.

littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
18. I have to say that there has been
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:25 PM
Nov 2018

A noticeable decrease in the bug population where I am with the exception of mosquitoes. They are huge and plentiful and in some cases, like equine encephalitis carriers, potentially deadly.

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