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janterry

(4,429 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:01 PM Mar 2019

Democrats Need to Learn From Their Al Franken Mistake

The country lost an opportunity to model how fair procedures can work in a #MeToo case.
by Emily Yoffe
Al Franken, the former Democratic senator from Minnesota, should never have been pressured, even bullied, into resigning from office. The accusations against him were not properly vetted. Their seriousness was not properly weighed. Nevertheless, the frenzy that followed the accusations resulted in his Democratic colleagues making it impossible for him to continue as a senator.

His departure from the Senate—he officially resigned on January 2, 2018—continues to rankle and reverberate. The lessons of this debacle remain unlearned, and the consequences of Franken’s case continue to play out, in the presidential race and beyond. The Democratic reaction to the Franken allegations and the precedents it set will present a danger to the Democratic Party until it reconsiders the episode, and thinks about ways to stop such unfair and swift destruction from happening.


[This is the last paragraph of the article]
As a society we are in danger of losing a sense of proportion, and a belief in forgiveness. We lack established, fair procedures for evaluating claims of sexual violation outside of the criminal-justice system. We need to slow down, be less certain, and think about how to weigh accusations in each case. This means embracing the bedrock principles that both accuser and accused must be treated fairly, and that hearing only one side is insufficient. When people are accused and punished unjustly, a backlash inevitably ensues. When that happens, the crucial and urgent cause of addressing sexual misconduct is undermined.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/democrats-shouldnt-have-pressured-al-franken-resign/585739/

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Democrats Need to Learn From Their Al Franken Mistake (Original Post) janterry Mar 2019 OP
This is why I cannot endorse Gillibrand. Arkansas Granny Mar 2019 #1
I'm glad to see there is some responsible press around this janterry Mar 2019 #2
I haven't settled on one candidate yet. It's early and I want to hear more from them. Arkansas Granny Mar 2019 #3
My sentiments EXACTLY and for exactly the same reason! BigDemVoter Mar 2019 #7
+1 sandensea Mar 2019 #8
K & R LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #4
Gillebrand is Toast kick her to the curb...done....betrayer Rene Mar 2019 #5
She took on the mantle of hatchet-person Freelancer Mar 2019 #6
Kick dalton99a Mar 2019 #9
Al SuperCoolPoster Mar 2019 #10

Arkansas Granny

(31,513 posts)
1. This is why I cannot endorse Gillibrand.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:26 PM
Mar 2019

If she is the nominee, I will vote for her, but I would rather someone else be on the ticket. Al Franken deserved an investigation before being forced to resign.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
2. I'm glad to see there is some responsible press around this
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:35 PM
Mar 2019

I like Yoffe - and I think these kinds of editorials are a start.

(As for Gillibrand.....meh. I'm not sure that Warren will gain much traction....but, I'm a fan

Arkansas Granny

(31,513 posts)
3. I haven't settled on one candidate yet. It's early and I want to hear more from them.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:02 PM
Mar 2019

As much as I like Biden and Sanders, I would like to see a woman or a younger man win the nomination. We have several good candidates to choose from.

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
8. +1
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 03:34 PM
Mar 2019

And she thought it would win her the nomination.

Now she's lucky if she can keep her Senate seat, frankly.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,168 posts)
4. K & R
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:13 PM
Mar 2019

So some of the Democrats that piled on have since told reporters off the record that they regret their rush to judgement and not agreed to an ethics review. And I'll bet a lot more of them do as well, they just haven't expressed it.

But not apparently Gillibrand. She's digging deeper:

Gillibrand has remained steadfast in asserting that Franken needed to go. On a recent presidential campaign trip to Iowa she said, “I know Democrats are very sad about Al Franken; I’m sad about Al Franken. But the truth of this issue is very clear: He had eight credible allegations against him that were corroborated in real time, by the press that were investigating it.


Bullshit.
And this from someone who this happened with her staff:

Gillibrand herself has just been caught up in her own #MeToo controversy, with Politico reporting that a young female staffer resigned last year after she alleged that her accusations of being sexually harassed by a male staffer, who served as Gillibrand’s driver, were mishandled. The male staffer was initially rebuked. After Politico contacted Gillibrand about the story and additional allegations, the office opened a new investigation, and the male staffer was fired. “She kept a harasser on her staff until it proved politically untenable for her to do so,” the female staffer told Politico.


I don't know why she is running. It has been difficult for many Franken supporters to move on. But the longer it seems like Franken has resigned himself to not returning to politics, the duller the backstab pain is. I was willing to, maybe not forgive, but forget and move on. But she jumped into the spotlight herself with her candidacy, an opportunity she rushed out to deny one of her colleagues.

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
6. She took on the mantle of hatchet-person
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:24 PM
Mar 2019

Parties, businesses, and all organizations have to have a hatchet-person of some kind. Even the police have an internal affairs division. Those who take that on don't usually ascend much further in the ranks, though. It sticks to them.

SuperCoolPoster

(14 posts)
10. Al
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 05:45 AM
Mar 2019

The Al Franken resignation was stupid. It was more of a witch hunt... and also sets a bad precedent. Now if you want someone to resign, you just put up a false charge and make a lot of noise. There always needs to be a proper investigation before these things...

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