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Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:09 AM

Hillary Clinton: "Classic Pattern" Of Fascist Takeover Is Happening Right Now In The United States

Hillary Clinton warned during an alumnae event Saturday at Wellesley College that fascism is coming to America. She cited Madeline Albright's book, "Fascism: A Warning," and sounded the alarm: "The idea that it can't happen here is just old fashioned, my friends."

"The demagoguery, the appeal to the crowd, the very clever use of symbols, the intimidation, verbal and physical," she said. "This is a classic pattern. There is nothing new about it, it is just different means of messages being delivered."

She did not use the president's name but said: "There is nothing normal about undermining the rule of law. There is nothing normal about attacking the press. There is nothing normal about trying to undermine another branch of government. There is nothing normal about trying to use the political system to go after your enemies. There is nothing normal about any of that."

"I am a very worried optimist," Clinton said. "If you care about this incredible experiment that we have been engaged in now for 200-plus years, then you have to be concerned about this."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/09/hillary_clinton_classic_pattern_of_fascist_takeover_is_happening_in_the_us_today.html

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Reply Hillary Clinton: "Classic Pattern" Of Fascist Takeover Is Happening Right Now In The United States (Original post)
Arkansas Granny Tuesday OP
tymorial Tuesday #1
Arkansas Granny Tuesday #2
johnnyfins Tuesday #15
SammyWinstonJack Tuesday #17
olegramps Tuesday #20
lunasun Tuesday #34
olegramps Wednesday #39
Skittles Tuesday #35
Maven Tuesday #22
onetexan Tuesday #37
Achilleaze Tuesday #3
Botany Tuesday #4
Arkansas Granny Tuesday #5
Botany Tuesday #7
lunasun Tuesday #33
Botany Tuesday #36
Chin music Tuesday #28
Funtatlaguy Tuesday #6
pazzyanne Tuesday #8
Bernardo de La Paz Tuesday #12
pazzyanne Tuesday #13
FiveGoodMen Tuesday #31
Farmer-Rick Tuesday #9
Botany Tuesday #11
Farmer-Rick Tuesday #24
Chin music Tuesday #29
Farmer-Rick Tuesday #30
Botany Tuesday #32
BlancheSplanchnik Tuesday #21
MarianJack Tuesday #10
Grammy23 Tuesday #14
Bernardo de La Paz Tuesday #23
pandr32 Tuesday #26
SayItLoud Tuesday #16
hurple Tuesday #18
rainin Tuesday #19
SunSeeker Tuesday #25
Kurt V. Tuesday #27
DIKB Wednesday #38

Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:12 AM

1. It physically hurts that the election was stolen from her.

I am disgusted what this country has become.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:22 AM

2. I know. Sometimes I still get that punched in the gut feeling when I think about it.

Its disturbing that most Republican voters can't see or won't admit the direction the country is moving.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:00 AM

15. Can't see? Won't admit?

Newsflash. They WANT it this way.

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Response to johnnyfins (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:04 AM

17. They should be careful what they wish for.

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Response to johnnyfins (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:29 AM

20. Yes, I agree, but they have been terribly mislead by the demagoguery.

I would put the decline in basic manufacturing jobs that provided gainful employment for high school and those of lesser education as the major factor. This is the group of people who have been affected the most by automation and globalization and most susceptible to manipulation. It is not limited to the United States, but throughout much of Europe and Asia. It is fertile ground for demagogues to make ridiculous claims that they can turn back the clock to the industrial revolution that produced massive employment. The situation will only intensify if corrective action is not taken to provide the necessary training and education to meet the demands of the information age. It is also during these period of transformation that religious extremism increases. The warning that fascism with come to America wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross is an accurate observation of what is transpiring in our life time.

There is also an important and crucial attempt by the Republicans to transform the presidency into an authoritarian office. This is not a new development, but one that has been seriously neglected by the free press. Under the title of the Unitary Executive Theory president Nixon, Reagan, both the Bushes and now Trump have pursued this fundamental destruction of the separation of power that the founding fathers knew was crucial from the presidency being transformed into a dictatorship no different in function from what they had accomplished by challenging the divine right of the monarchy.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:07 PM

34. If this is true why aren't non white working class hit by the loss of manufacturing jobs or those

still working class or unable to escape poverty or stuck in low wage jobs reacting in the same way ?

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Response to lunasun (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:36 AM

39. Firstly, the minorities are fighting against discrimination in all aspects of their iifes.

What facts exists that low wage workers are content with the status quo. The crucial gage is level of education. Unfortunately, you will find that many of those in low wage jobs will believe the propaganda and are supportive of the Republicans.

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Response to johnnyfins (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:31 PM

35. just because they want it does not mean they UNDERSTAND it

they're fucking CLUELESS

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:00 AM

22. Same

It feels like a violation. Because it was.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:52 PM

37. i hear ya, as we have to live thru this nightmare everyday

every time i read about her or hear of Hillary's name i feel pangs in the pit of my stomach.

That said, earlier today i moved my Hillary books from the bedroom bookshelf to the living room. I live in deep red Tx and i don't care at this point if anyone who comes to visit us are offended. I have plenty to tell them if they diss her. I can also show them the door.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:24 AM

3. republicans are pissing all over truth and US democracy

to their everlasting shame...

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:24 AM

4. "The demagoguery, the appeal to the crowd, the very clever use of symbols ... "

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:38 AM

5. Yep. Have you tried holding your hand in that position. It's uncomfortable

and not a position that your hand would naturally fall into. It was a very deliberate gesture.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:44 AM

7. It is no mistake that Trump makes that sign all the time as a shout out to his base

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Response to Botany (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:01 PM

33. I watched a speech Trump made about 10 years ago or so he never once made the gesture

I watched a speech he made about 10 years ago or so
he never once made that gesture during the speech so common in his speeches today
Eye opener

Trump and miller are not as stupid or harmless as some Dems think
trump is manipulative and experienced in creating a sensation for profit and a media high profile
Now he is using the experience to create an ideology to follow with Millers help

The liberals who chuckle about oh thatís a silly harmless thing.
Who can seriously worry about signs like that having any power ? have lost reference to
ď our germanyís Greeting ď as Nazis called it . Used to unify fascism it became an increasingly very powerful symbol of what Germany was



The salute soon became part of everyday life.[37] Postmen used the greeting when they knocked on people's doors to deliver packages or letters.[37] Small metal signs that reminded people to use the Hitler salute were displayed in public squares and on telephone poles and street lights throughout Germany.[38] Department store clerks greeted customers with "Heil Hitler, how may I help you?Ē

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute

Those who say oh Iím biracial or Muslim but Iíll just use it in jest to get along with others in a photo or something to that effect >please read the wiki link
Jews were eventually forbidden to use the salute even if they wanted to use it!

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Response to lunasun (Reply #33)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:00 PM

36. In late summer/early fall 2018 Trump went to Lebanon, OH and praised good Gen. Bobby Lee of the ...

... CSA. That was no mistake because that area of S.W. OH is the home of the Klan in OH,
some of the people arrested at the neo nazi march in Charlottesville, VA were from that part
of OH.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:03 PM

28. +1

Such brazen behavior. She had just gotten a text right before that too, as I recall. She was goaded and encouraged and she went right along w it.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:41 AM

6. And yet are those that matter listening? Sigh.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:45 AM

8. Most frustrating is the apathy of the American people,

with almost 40% of them supporting the portrayer of fascism and his cabal who use our White House to perpetrate the horrors they are generating upon our democratic republic. We are only 60% away from losing our country. Are we too blind that we do not see this? I fear we may be.

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:02 AM

12. Need better civics education, one way or another. The 1940s AntiFa knew their civics. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:18 AM

13. Yes, they certainly did!

One of the main reasons the Nazis were stopped!

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:10 PM

31. Yes, but that takes a generation

We'll need some kind of solution a whole lot sooner.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:47 AM

9. Well isn't it expected that when Fascism comes it would involve someone having their election stolen

Fascist are not big on real fair elections and democracy. They like rigged elections. It's the only way they stay in power.

First the RepubliCONS stole Al Gore's win with the bush Supreme Court in 2000(Go back and read because he did have more votes in Florida than W).

And now they stole Hillary's win. You can't have fascism if you are going to have real fair elections.

Maybe we should have done something about rigged elections before now.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:01 AM

11. Don't forget OH 2004 or

KY's governor's race in 2015, South Carolina's democratic primary in 2010, senate race Wisconsin 2016,
Scott Walker's recall race, Georgia 2018, Florida 2018, and ...

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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:46 PM

24. Oh yeah.

That South Carolina rigged primary was an in your face sneer at Democratic leaders.

RepubliCONS are evil bastards.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:05 PM

29. And John Kerry, War hero, that year.

Getting swiftboated. the swiftboating was just plausible deniability for the vote rigging. "John lost??? Oh gosh, people took the bait on the swiftboating." No, they cheated, and gave themselves some cover.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:09 PM

30. So true. The CONS have been rigging elections for the last 20 years

Is it any surprise that the little Russian dicktater decided to help them out?

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:28 PM

32. An unemployed semi homeless person with a ...

... a possible criminal history with no campaign office, no campaign staff, no ads, no web site, beat the mayor of Charleston (?) who had 20 + years of statewide name recognition.. please.


Btw OH's 2018 election never passed the smell test to me. 250,000 people voted for a liberal Democrat in S Brown but turned around and voted for conservatives in the governor, sec. of state, and the A.G.'s races?

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:31 AM

21. That and their inculcation method--fux spews and talk radio.

I fear we canít make real progress while those two things continue unabated.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:55 AM

10. But...but...but...

EMAILS!

RESIST!

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:53 AM

14. I believe there are several factors at work making such a take over possible.


There seem to be a large number of people in the U.S. who believe that there is nothing to fear from changes that are coming because they will be among the favored. In other words, they will be safe. As a result of the change, a lot of ďundesirablesĒ will be run out of the country or locked up where they wonít be a problem any more. America will be a good place to live again. A Utopia.

History is a subject for nerds is a real way of thinking. Whatís behind me is not important. So they know not what can and will go wrong with fascists running the show. Ignorance is bliss.

The Republicans in Congress are in on the swap, so why would they try to stop it? This is a dream come true for some.

A startling number of Republicans were compromised during 2015-16 by accepting money, favors and information from Russia (and probably others) so that any efforts to uncover the truth of what happened in the 2016 election will reveal their conflicts of interest/crimes. So they canít enthusiastically embrace the investigations without implicating themselves. The Russians knew what they were doing when they bought these members of Congress.

A large number of Americans have buried their heads in the sand. They have bills to pay, jobs to do, children to raise and care more about whether their team will make the playoffs. They donít have the time or the interest to care whatís happening under their noses. Somebody else will read the Mueller Report and besides....didnít tRump (and others) say he was completely exonerated?

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:17 AM

23. +1 . . . nt

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:59 PM

26. Well done! Excellent description of what is happening.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:02 AM

16. Since the RePUBICs use fear of *socialism* every Dem candidate should

start educating in this clear simple way HRC did that the RePUBICS want to turn America into a Fascist country. Just sayin..

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:07 AM

18. If she wants most of America to pay attention

She should write all this in an email.

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Response to hurple (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:16 AM

19. Yep

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:50 PM

25. I couldn't agree more. nt

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:02 PM

27. "Is happening right now". Believe this! please. i just read trump is putting

ppl in Oregon for the upcoming election. why? he has no chance there.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:07 AM

38. We have to be honest

the current democratic model is "fascism lite".

It's an uncomfortable truth, but I warned about the military commissions act of 2006 on this very forum, and how it leads to inherited powers.

We need to seriously challenge the candidates, and make them work for us!

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