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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:08 PM Jun 2019

Trump says war with Iran wouldn't last very long. He hasn't read enough history.

Sometimes in foreign policy, the best course of action for a powerful country is the most limited, at least visibly. That may be the case now in the United States’ confrontation with a cornered but potentially venomous Iran.

The U.S.-Iran showdown is a classic test between a strong nation and a much weaker one. An embattled Tehran has seemingly tried to goad the United States, shooting down a U.S. spy drone, allegedly mining ships near the Persian Gulf and allowing proxies to fire missiles at civilian airports in Saudi Arabia. President Trump hasn’t retaliated militarily, but his loose talk Tuesday of the “obliteration” of Iran keeps the pot boiling, as Tehran probably wants.

Trump should keep the lid on, but this week demonstrated how difficult that will be. On Wednesday, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, again spurned Trump’s call for diplomacy. “Negotiation is an effort to deceive [Iran] into doing what the U.S. desires,” he said. Its defiance moved into a higher gear Thursday when, by its own account, Iran said it would break the cap on uranium enrichment set by the 2015 nuclear agreement.

History teaches us that ruinous wars often begin when powerful nations misjudge weaker ones or think that they can determine political outcomes by force. That’s the obvious lesson of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, where the United States assumed it could gain quick, decisive victories against weaker adversaries. Modern British historians make a similar assessment of World War I, where combatants rushed to war in the expectation of rapid triumph, oblivious to the horrors of trench warfare that lay ahead.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-says-war-with-iran-wouldnt-last-very-long-he-hasnt-read-enough-history/2019/06/27/2b2835dc-9920-11e9-830a-21b9b36b64ad_story.html

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Trump says war with Iran wouldn't last very long. He hasn't read enough history. (Original Post) Zorro Jun 2019 OP
They said that about Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Korea too. n/t Downtown Hound Jun 2019 #1
Trump WILL underestimate Iran at his own peril..... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #2
The first casualties of war are the plans and expectations made about it. LastDemocratInSC Jun 2019 #3
I remember Bush said something like that... he was just off by a decade or so with Iraq dawg day Jun 2019 #4
The South said that about the Civil War. no_hypocrisy Jun 2019 #5
And tariff wars are easy to win. murielm99 Jun 2019 #6
First off,Iran has a Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #7
Are we ever successful in these kinds of endeavors? captain queeg Jun 2019 #8
He missed another opportunity to be quiet. Karadeniz Jun 2019 #9
Let's see Rebl2 Jun 2019 #10
Damn Eustace is Useful Jun 2019 #11
A law should be passed trusty elf Jun 2019 #12

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,784 posts)
2. Trump WILL underestimate Iran at his own peril.....
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jun 2019

And the war that ensues will surely be his fault.

Can't blame Hillary or Obama for this rash decision.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
4. I remember Bush said something like that... he was just off by a decade or so with Iraq
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:35 PM
Jun 2019

And coming on 2 decades with Afghanistan.

no_hypocrisy

(46,087 posts)
5. The South said that about the Civil War.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jun 2019

England and Germany said the same thing about the First World War.

Kenneth Adelman (WaPo columnist) wrote a pair of editorial columns regarding the Iraq War in the Washington Post in February 2002 and April 2003 entitled, respectively, "Cakewalk In Iraq" and "'Cakewalk' Revisited". In the first he argued that the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq would be a simple matter to accomplish.

Get worried whenever a leader with military predicts "I'll be home for Christmas . . . . "

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. First off,Iran has a
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jun 2019

4 million person standing Army. Second,where in hell do these Political Idiots think Iran is a third world stupid Nation. This country has been under some sort of Sanctions since 1979 and they have been able to develop and maintain a first world Nation via Science and Education.

So if the Trumpers/Neo-Con/Bolton Tribe of Fools,think this is just a Cake Walk,never forget the War Cheney started by convincing Sadamm he could defeat Iran in a Cake Walk. We gave him the Poison Gas and Munitions only to suffer a major defeat.

Again,History proved the point,Iran will remain.

Should add,those TOW Missiles Cheney gave Sadamm in 1980,you knew they were ReEngineeed

captain queeg

(10,184 posts)
8. Are we ever successful in these kinds of endeavors?
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jun 2019

And what exactly would we be trying to accomplish? You know the shit stain has no idea. Bolton wants regime change. Going in at all is bad enough but without a clearly defined goal it will be guaranteed to be a fiasco at best, a catastrophe much more likely.

trusty elf

(7,391 posts)
12. A law should be passed
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 07:03 AM
Jun 2019

that would require Kush, I'dbonkher, Uday and Fuquad to be the first to lead the charge.



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