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(15,923 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:21 AM Sep 2019

Trump has done plenty to warrant impeachment. But the Ukraine allegations are over the top.

Among the most delicate choices the framers made in drafting the Constitution was how to deal with a president who puts himself above the law. To address that problem, they chose the mechanism of impeachment and removal from office. And they provided that this remedy could be used when a president commits “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

That last phrase — “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” — was a historical term of art, derived from impeachments in the British Parliament. When the framers put it into the Constitution, they didn’t discuss it much, because no doubt they knew what it meant. It meant, as Alexander Hamilton later phrased it, “the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Simply put, the framers viewed the president as a fiduciary, the government of the United States as a sacred trust and the people of the United States as the beneficiaries of that trust. Through the Constitution, the framers imposed upon the president the duty and obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” and made him swear an oath that he would fulfill that duty of faithful execution. They believed that a president would break his oath if he engaged in self-dealing — if he used his powers to put his own interests above the nation’s. That would be the paradigmatic case for impeachment.

That’s exactly what appears to be at issue today. A whistleblower in U.S. intelligence lodged a complaint with the intelligence community’s inspector general so alarming that he labeled it of “urgent concern” and alerted the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Though the details remain secret, apparently this much can be gleaned: The complaint is against the president. It concerns a “promise” that the president made, in at least one phone call, with a foreign leader. And it involves Ukraine and possible interference with the next presidential election. The complaint is being brazenly suppressed by the Justice Department — in defiance of a whistleblower law that says, without exception, the complaint “shall” be turned over to Congress.


This article was co-written by Kellyanne's husband George Conway. It must be really weird to live in that house.

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Trump has done plenty to warrant impeachment. But the Ukraine allegations are over the top. (Original Post) Zorro Sep 2019 OP
Duplicate PSPS Sep 2019 #1
Different forum Zorro Sep 2019 #2
Just think duforsure Sep 2019 #3
gee, and I thought taking kids from their parents, putting them in cages was over the top Skittles Sep 2019 #4


(11,885 posts)
3. Just think
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:38 AM
Sep 2019

Of what Putin has said to him ,and him to Putin behind closed doors. like from Putin , where's my payment, when will the sanctions be lifted, and threatened by Putin with being compromised by him and the Russian mafia now. The worst is yet to come .


(154,608 posts)
4. gee, and I thought taking kids from their parents, putting them in cages was over the top
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:36 PM
Sep 2019

silly me

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