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elleng

(130,747 posts)
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 02:20 AM Oct 2019

"THERE IS DEFINITE HANKY-PANKY GOING ON":

THE FANTASTICALLY PROFITABLE MYSTERY OF THE TRUMP CHAOS TRADES


'The president’s talk can move markets—and it’s made some futures traders billions. Did they know what he was going to say before he said it?

In the last 10 minutes of trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on Friday, September 13, someone got very lucky. That’s when he or she, or a group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis”—electronically traded futures contracts linked to the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index—when the index was trading around 3010. The time was 3:50 p.m. in New York; it was nearing midnight in Tehran. A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure, choking off production in the country and sending oil prices soaring. By the time the CME next opened, for pretrading on Sunday night, the S&P index had fallen 30 points, giving that very fortunate trader, or traders, a quick $180 million profit.

It was not an isolated occurrence. Three days earlier, in the last 10 minutes of trading, someone bought 82,000 S&P e-minis when the index was trading at 2969. That was nearly 4 a.m. on September 11 in Beijing, where a few hours later, the Chinese government announced that it would lift tariffs on a range of American-made products. As has been the typical reaction in the U.S. stock markets as the trade war with China chugs on without any perceptible logic, when the news about a potential resolution of it seems positive, stock markets go up, and when the news about the trade war appears negative, they go down.

The news was viewed positively. The S&P index moved swiftly on September 11 to 2996, up nearly 30 points. That same day, President Donald Trump said he would postpone tariffs on some Chinese goods, and the S&P index moved to 3016, or up 47 points since the fortunate person bought the 82,000 e-minis just before the market closed on September 10. Since a one-point movement, up or down, in an e-mini contract is worth $50, a 47-point movement up in a day was worth $2,350 per contract. If you were the lucky one who bought the 82,000 e-mini contracts, well, then you were sitting on a one-day profit of roughly $190 million.

A week earlier, three minutes before the CME closed on September 3, someone bought 55,000 e-mini contracts, with the index at about 2906. At around 9 p.m. in New York—9 a.m. in Hong Kong—the market started moving and kept rallying for the next six hours or so, reaching 2936. Around 2 p.m. in Hong Kong—2 a.m. in New York—Carrie Lam, the Hong Kong leader, announced that she would be withdrawing the controversial extradition bill that had been roiling the city in protest for months. Whoever bought those e-mini contracts a few hours earlier made a killing: a cool $82.5 million profit.

But these wins were peanuts compared to the money made by a trader, or group of traders, who bought 420,000 September e-minis in the last 30 minutes of trading on June 28. That was some 40% of the day’s trading volume in September e-minis—making it a trade that could not easily be ignored. By then, President Trump was already in Osaka, Japan—14 hours ahead of Chicago—and on his way to a roughly hour-long meeting with China’s President Xi Jinping as part of the G20 summit. On Saturday in Osaka, after the market had closed in Chicago, Trump emerged from his meeting with Xi and announced that the intermittent trade talks were “back on track.” The following week was a good one in the stock market, thanks to the Trump announcement. On Thursday, June 27, the S&P 500 index stood at about 2915; a week or so later, it was just below 3000, a gain of 84 points, or $4,200 per e-mini contract. Whoever bought the 420,000 e-minis on June 28 had made a handsome profit of nearly $1.8 billion.'>>>

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-mystery-of-the-trump-chaos-trades?

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"THERE IS DEFINITE HANKY-PANKY GOING ON": (Original Post) elleng Oct 2019 OP
Insider trading would be right up drumpf's alley. democratisphere Oct 2019 #1
NO DOUBT. elleng Oct 2019 #2
-- shouldn't be hard. He is fat and can't run much. His disguise is a dead rodent on his head. 3Hotdogs Oct 2019 #8
Look closely at Munchkin. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #14
Wow jaysunb Oct 2019 #3
Knowing Trump, does anyone believe he and his friends haven't been manipulating markets sop Oct 2019 #4
Corruption UCmeNdc Oct 2019 #5
The problem is, gab13by13 Oct 2019 #6
he has kozar Oct 2019 #7
No doubt there's some fishy business going on but... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #9
Bully Pulpit and Cash Machine Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #10
"Hanky-Panky"??? PJMcK Oct 2019 #11
How hard will it be to track them? Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #12
Foreknowledge is not necessary. Volatility is all a high speed trader needs to make out. Midnight Writer Oct 2019 #13

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. Insider trading would be right up drumpf's alley.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 02:28 AM
Oct 2019

If I was a betting person, I'd put money on IT that it has been done many more times than once.

sop

(10,105 posts)
4. Knowing Trump, does anyone believe he and his friends haven't been manipulating markets
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:10 AM
Oct 2019

and profiting from insider knowledge? More than anything else, this explains why Trump wanted to become president.

gab13by13

(21,264 posts)
6. The problem is,
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:14 AM
Oct 2019

Trump not only controls the executive branch of government, he controls the judiciary. Barr isn't going to go after Trump, he was probably in on it.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. No doubt there's some fishy business going on but...
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 08:15 AM
Oct 2019

Rump probably isn't behind it. He's really too stupid to think this stuff up by himself.

Back in the 80s, he was caught in a Pump&Dump scheme. He was just learning about Wall St. and discovered that if he used his media savvy (i.e. Big Mouth) to talk about a stock he bought, it rose in value.

So he started buying cheap stocks, talked about them and cashed out. Problem is, he did this so much that people noticed and stopped playing the game. It didn't help that he couldn't keep himself from bragging about his stock picking genius.

He also did this with real estate, where he made bigger bucks. Brag about a huge new project, take huge deposits, and suddenly the project went belly-up. "Sorry, all your money went into construction and is lost forever..." And a lot of overpriced condos that were built are begging for resale at bargain prices.

None of this matters to oligarchs looking to dry clean ill gotten gains, though.

Kid Berwyn

(14,808 posts)
10. Bully Pulpit and Cash Machine
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 08:29 AM
Oct 2019

Obviously Demented Donnie is obvious.

Great to see some reportage on the original orange manipulator.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
11. "Hanky-Panky"???
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 08:51 AM
Oct 2019

The behavior described is patently illegal. Why did the writers use such a cute phrase to describe this corruption?

Our corporate news media has become worse than our corporate entertainment.

Midnight Writer

(21,717 posts)
13. Foreknowledge is not necessary. Volatility is all a high speed trader needs to make out.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:44 AM
Oct 2019

It doesn't matter if the market is up or down for a trader who can make thousands of high speed trades a minute.

They want a market that moves erratically, and Trump supplies that.

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