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Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:49 PM

Mueller Deputy Wants Roger Stone Hauled Before Grand Jury in New York.

'Former special counsel Robert Mueller’s onetime lead lieutenant Andrew Weissmann wants to see former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone hauled before a grand jury in New York State.

“Time to put Roger Stone in the grand jury to find out what he knows about Trump but would not tell,” the onetime prosecutor and current New York University law professor wrote on Friday evening. “Commutation can’t stop that.” . .

Scholars, academics and pundits have often debated the reach and expanse of the clearly defined pardon power. Indeed, a cottage industry of op-eds devoted to incorrect musing about the limits of presidential pardons developed during the Trump administration as speculation ran rampant that the 45th president might attempt to pardon himself over various crimes.

What is clear about the pardon power’s end point, however, is the delineation between federal and state investigations, charges and prosecutions. A president has absolutely unlimited power to dispense with the former while the pardon clearly does not extend to the latter.

But in a somewhat curious turn, Weissmann called on the acting U.S. Attorney for Southern District of New York (SDNY) to make headlines for herself by bringing Stone in for questioning before an as-yet not constituted–or at least as-yet not public–grand jury.

“Audrey Strauss: this is your moment to stand for the rule of law,” Weissmann tweeted.

But it’s unclear exactly why and for what reasons Stone would be of interest to the SDNY at the moment.'>>>

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/former-top-mueller-deputy-wants-roger-stone-hauled-before-grand-jury-in-new-york/?

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elleng Jul 2020 OP
soothsayer Jul 2020 #1
elleng Jul 2020 #2
unblock Jul 2020 #4
soothsayer Jul 2020 #6
unblock Jul 2020 #7
OMGWTF Jul 2020 #10
AmyStrange Aug 2020 #16
AmyStrange Aug 2020 #15
Me. Jul 2020 #3
empedocles Jul 2020 #5
bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #8
Karadeniz Jul 2020 #9
iluvtennis Jul 2020 #11
TryLogic Jul 2020 #12
elleng Jul 2020 #13
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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:51 PM

1. It won't stop it but he can plead the fifth the whole time can't he?

I thought that was the brilliance of commutation

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:52 PM

2. Right

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:59 PM

4. he can take the fifth, but only if there's a potential charge he remains liable for

So if answering a question might implicate him in a state crime or a federal crime other than one he's been found not guilty of or which has been pardoned, he can take the fifth.

Technically, one does not "plead" the fifth. It is "taken" or "invoked".

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Response to unblock (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:09 PM

6. Or drink a fifth

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:04 PM

7. Kavanaugh would certainly agree

Although he usually goes for a pint....

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Response to unblock (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:52 PM

10. "I like beer. "

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:57 PM

16. said the bear on a dare

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sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:53 PM

15. The prosecutor could give him immunity, and...

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then he couldn't use that right.

If that would get me trump, I'd do that in a minute.
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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:58 PM

3. Wonderful

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Response to Me. (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:08 PM

5. Weissman senses that roger may be 'useful'

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:10 PM

8. I still don't see why the equivalent of a pardon shakedown is legal

and neither do some real pundits. Such as Glenn Kirschner.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:45 PM

9. I was hoping there would be a way to get him from a state vantage point.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:54 PM

11. Me too. nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:05 PM

12. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that any crime that is a federal crime would also

be a state crime if states would simply declare that to be the case. Whatever happens at the federal level affects the states, at least in many situations such as national security, voting rights, etc. A threat to national security is a threat to the states, not (only) the federal bureaucracy. There should be a way to override corrupt presidential pardons, which Republicans are especially fond of doing.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:08 PM

13. Might happen,

states would have to incorporate Federal statutes AND there should be a nexus between the action and the place/state.

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