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Thu Sep 3, 2020, 04:28 AM

The anti-Semitic backstory of QAnon

QAnon is one of the strangest developments on the current political scene. Originating in 2017 on the often racist imageboard website 4chan, its members believe that the world is really being run by a secret cabal of devil-worshiping pedophiles, who include billionaires like Bill Gates, celebrities like Oprah Winfrey, and high-profile Democratic politicians like Hilary Clinton, who traffic children, and rape, torture and murder them, to satisfy their depraved appetites. These monsters drain children of their blood and drink it during Satanic rituals — and President Trump is their arch-nemesis.

There is a strong current of anti-Semitism in the QAnon worldview, ranging from dog-whistle rants about George Soros to explicit and overt claims, like when “angel mom” Mary Ann Mendoza endorsed a Twitter thread about a Jewish plot to take over the United States.

The anti-Semitic components are not incidental. QAnon may have started in 2017, but its ideology resonates with much older anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, the modern American face of an age-old and very dangerous ideology.

The story begins at the tail end of the twelfth century, when Jewish communities in the Rhineland were slaughtered by marauding crusaders. Their position worsened during the 13th century, and then took a catastrophic turn during the 14th century when the Bubonic plague pandemic raged across Europe.

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You might respond that that although it certainly contains some anti-Semitic elements, it is not an anti-Semitic movement per se. But that would miss the point. It’s close enough.

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Behind the Aegis Sep 2020 OP
rampartc Sep 2020 #1
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rampartc Sep 2020 #12
Ligyron Sep 2020 #14
madaboutharry Sep 2020 #2
bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #6
madaboutharry Sep 2020 #7
Solly Mack Sep 2020 #3
Skittles Sep 2020 #4
gademocrat7 Sep 2020 #5
bullwinkle428 Sep 2020 #8
plimsoll Sep 2020 #9
BComplex Sep 2020 #11
Hekate Sep 2020 #13
muriel_volestrangler Sep 2020 #15

Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 04:42 AM

1. qanon fits comfortably into the anti masonic/anti catholic/ anti semitic "know nothing"

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Response to rampartc (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:23 AM

10. That is a very interesting article.

It illuminates, I think, a key difference in today's embracers of RW Conspiracy Theories from their forebears.

"If, after our historically discontinuous examples of the paranoid style, we now take the long jump to the contemporary right wing, we find some rather important differences from the nineteenth-century movements.

The spokesmen of those earlier movements felt that they stood for causes and personal types that were still in possession of their country—that they were fending off threats to a still established way of life. But the modern right wing, as Daniel Bell has put it, feels dispossessed: America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion.

The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high."

It will fit neatly on a bumper sticker: I want my country back! George Carlin told them who really owned the country but they were all too easily convinced to believe otherwise.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 03:24 PM

12. just a reminder that the article was written in 1964

these qanon/trumpers are direct descendants of the john bircher/mccarthites of the goldwater movement.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 4, 2020, 12:05 PM

14. Yeah, sorry IDK know how but I lost that article when I had to break away and could not finish it.

Darn 'puter, it's all her fault!

I don't remember but wasn't there a link from your David Livingstone Smith's article involving Qanon to that original from 1964?

When I went back to the Forward site to find it I had to submit my email as my 2 free articles were used up but after doing so still could not find how I got that fascinatingly timeless one from '64.

It contained more than a few gems one could quote from, still amazingly relevant, that just couldn't be stated any better.

*on further examination I found the Harper's article someone else linked

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 04:42 AM

2. It is a new form on nazism

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It’s Nazism for the 21st Century.

It is a sick movement and Trump loves them.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 06:26 AM

6. New Age does not deserve to be linked to that

New Age music is decidedly cross cultural and supportive of the environment as evidenced by two of the most prominent New Age artists, Enya and Loreena McKennitt. Devoted multi-cultural elites of all religions would travel the world for a concert by either of them.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 06:37 AM

7. OK, that is a good point.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 05:13 AM

3. K&R

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 05:33 AM

4. absolutely ZERO surprise from me

no INDEED

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Thu Sep 3, 2020, 06:04 AM

5. The followers of this hate group

Are in need of an intervention.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:15 AM

8. This stuff is COMPLETELY rooted in the same mindset that gave us

the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" garbage.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:46 AM

9. Prague Cemetery is the best comparison.

Umberto Eco wrote an entire book on composing and marketing conspiracy theories. This one hits a couple different points, but it clearly can't avoid harkening back to the UR conspiracy. I actually would put it back further than the 12th century, read the early Christian Heresy hunters and you'll find the same lurid claims of eating babies etc. etc.

I've always assumed the Q had nothing to do with the DOE clearances and everything to do with early Christianity. Quelle (Q) in the Mathew and Luke designate non-Markian sources for passages. It also helps that quelle is german for source. It's almost as if the conspiracies are deliberately constructed to lure in the credulous but at the same time add an extra troll for anyone who as actually bothers to read church history and attempts to understand the the origins of the new testament.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:23 AM

11. This whole movement lies at the feet of Fox propaganda.

They are trying to start a new Reich, or whatever, with trump as the new Hitler...but not as smart; trump is easier to manipulate with weird ideas because he's so screwed up.

Until true journalists start calling out Fox at every turn ...EVERY TURN...on every newscast, we're not going to even begin to turn this tide. I'm talking the local news, the national news, and all the newspapers and web sites...this insanity has got to start being called out every day, and Fox hounded into oblivion.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Thu Sep 3, 2020, 11:11 PM

13. Why am I not surprised

What sickness

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:07 AM

15. It dates back a little earlier than that - mid-twelfth century England, and William of Norwich

William of Norwich (2 February 1132 – c. 22 March 1144) was an English boy whose death was, at the time, attributed to the Jewish community of Norwich. It is the first known medieval accusation against Jews of ritual murder.

William was an apprentice tanner who regularly came into contact with Jews and visited their homes as part of his trade. His death was unsolved; the local community of Norwich attributed the boy's death to the Jews, though the local authorities would not convict them for lack of proof. William was shortly thereafter acclaimed as a saint in Norwich, with miracles attributed to him.
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The Christians of Norwich appeared to have quickly blamed the local Jews for this crime, and to have demanded justice from the local ecclesiastical court. Members of the Jewish community were asked to attend the court and submit to a trial by ordeal, but the local sheriff, John de Chesney, advised them that the ecclesiastical court had no jurisdiction over them, as they were not Christians. He then took the Jews into protection in the castle. After the situation had calmed down, they returned to their homes. The issue was revived two years later, when a member of the Jewish community was murdered in an unrelated incident. King Stephen agreed to look into the matter, but later decided to let it drop.[7]

In the meanwhile, William's body had been moved to the monks' cemetery. Some of the local clergy attempted to create a cult around him as a martyr, but this plan did not succeed. There is no evidence that the initial accusations against the Jews implied that the murder was related to ritual activity of any kind, but as the cult developed, so did the story of how and why he was killed.[5][7]
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One convert, called Theobald of Cambridge, told Thomas that there was a written prophecy which stated that the Jews would regain control of Israel if they sacrificed a Christian child each year. Every year, Jewish leaders met in Narbonne to decide who would be asked to perform the sacrifice; in 1144, the Jews of Norwich were assigned the task. According to Thomas, the man who claimed to be a cook had been employed to entice William into the house where the sacrifice would occur. William was initially treated well, but was then bound, gagged and suspended in a cruciform position in a room where he was tortured and murdered in a manner imitating the Crucifixion of Jesus: the Jews lacerated his head with thorns and pierced his side. His body was then dumped in the nearby woods.[7]
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The wish of the clergy – in particular, William de Turbeville (Bishop of Norwich 1146–74) – to establish a cultus may have been partly financially motivated. De Turbeville encouraged Thomas of Monmouth to write his book.[5]
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As a result of the feelings generated by the William ritual murder story and subsequent intervention by the authorities on behalf of the accused, the growing suspicion of collusion between the ruling class and Jews fuelled the general anti-Jewish and anti-King Stephen mood of the population. After Thomas of Monmouth's version of William's death circulated a number of other unsolved child murders were attributed to Jewish conspiracies, including Harold of Gloucester (d. 1168) and Robert of Bury (d. 1181).[22] The best-known of these was Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (d. 1255).[23] This became known as the blood libel.

By the reign of Richard the Lionheart attitudes towards Jews had become increasingly intolerant. This, in conjunction with the increase in national opinion in favour of a Crusade, and the conflation of all non-Christians in the Medieval Christian imagination, led to the Jewish deputation attending the coronation of Richard in 1189 being attacked by the crowd.[24] A widespread attack began on the Jewish population, most notably in London and York, leading to massacres of Jews at London and York. The attacks were soon followed by others throughout England. When the local nobility of Norwich attempted to quash these activities, the local yeomanry and peasantry revolted against the lords and attacked their supporters, especially Norwich's Jewish community. On 6 February 1190, all Norwich Jews who didn't escape to the support of the local castle were slaughtered in their village.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Norwich

(Norwich was one of the 5 largest towns in England at the time)

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