53% of voters, including 33% of Republicans, believe Trump will try steal the election.
https://tjcinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Most-Voters-Believe-President-Trump-Will-Try-To-Steal-The-Election.pdf"New polling from The Justice Collaborative Institute and Data for Progress indicates that most voters believe that President Trump will use vote-by-mail to try to commit voter fraud and steal the election, and that he will try to stop the counting of ballots if he is ahead on election night. Nearly half of voters (45%) believe Trump would succeed if he tried to stop the counting of ballots.
Specific findings:
● 53% of voters, including 33% of Republicans, believe that President Donald Trump and his campaign will try to commit voter fraud and steal the election.
● 57% of voters, including 35% of Republicans, believe that President Donald Trump and his campaign will try to stop the counting of ballots if they are ahead based on the ballots counted on election night.
● 45% of voters believe that if President Trump and his campaign try to disrupt the counting of ballots, they will be successful.
Key takeaway:
President Donald Trump has said that the only way he can lose is by a rigged election. He has repeatedly and falsely campaigned that mail-in ballots will lead to widespread fraud, priming for him the ability to say that all the mail-in ballots that are processed and counted after election day, which are expected to heavily lean toward Biden, are unreliable. Our poll shows that most voters in America believe that Trump will not simply rant about a rigged election, but will actually try to rig t he election himself. More concerning still: nearly half of Americans believe he will be successful if he tries.
TwilightZone
(25,467 posts)He's do the former and fail at the latter.
If he gets stomped on election night, no one will care what he says outside of his base and they can't do anything about it.
mucifer
(23,533 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... expressing disappointment over the unfair (against the popular vote) results of the 2000 or 2016 elections. They just posted maps showing mostly red (low population) precincts and such, as if land can vote.
unblock
(52,199 posts)in all the times a candidate won the electoral college but didn't win a majority of the people, even shrub, the ultimately winning candidate was trying to forge a majority coalition. they were trying to appeal to as many people as possible. ok, they may have picked on a smaller segment of america, but for the most part, they wanted a majority, and the election was effectively a tie, and then the silly rules of the electoral college picked them.
it's frustrating but it's been generally accepted because it's been more or less like flipping a coin to resolve a tie.
donnie's entire political career and candidacy is the first really based on getting just a big enough minority, in the right locations, to win the electoral college. he's quite deliberately *not* trying to forge a majority. his thing is goosing his preferred minority by attacking anyone and everyone outside that group.
so in his case, winning the electoral college is not something that can reasonably be seen as just a way of resolving a virtual tie, because he was never really trying to win a majority. it's a complete corruption of any sense of democracy, when the strategy is to technically win according to the rules, while pissing off a majority of people.
that's a big difference even from shrub.
but republicans don't care, of course. winning is everything for them.
hlthe2b
(102,227 posts)All these court fights and overt voter suppression--drumming up violent groups to intimidate voters or to fight afterward?
How is that not ALREADY evidence of attempts to steal the election?
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I don't think they'll be successful.
dchill
(38,472 posts)Zorro
(15,740 posts)But I can't be sure.