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Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:12 PM

Shaming? Absolution? Jail? How to treat those complicit in Trump's wrongdoing

By MICHAEL HILTZIK

Among the glories of democratic government, the historian Jill Lepore wrote recently, are that after an election “the loser concedes without violence, and the winner accepts without vengeance.”

Lepore was right in her observation, but wrong in assessing its current implications for the U.S. She was arguing against a reckoning of Trump administration wrongdoing that takes the form of either a South Africa-style “truth and reconciliation commission” or criminal prosecutions.

Either option would inevitably become an instrument of partisanship, Lepore argues. She approvingly quotes Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden as warning that criminal prosecutions of Trump officials would be “probably not very ... good for democracy.”

“In the trade-off between prosecution and stability, Biden chooses stability,” Lepore writes. “Much of the left does not.” Her conclusion: Let history judge.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-10-30/jail-shaming-absolution-complicity-trump

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Reply Shaming? Absolution? Jail? How to treat those complicit in Trump's wrongdoing (Original post)
Zorro Oct 2020 OP
pfitz59 Oct 2020 #1
Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #8
dhol82 Oct 2020 #2
Phoenix61 Oct 2020 #9
dhol82 Oct 2020 #12
Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #3
True Blue American Oct 2020 #5
lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #16
marybourg Oct 2020 #4
fantase56 Oct 2020 #6
Zorro Oct 2020 #7
Phoenix61 Oct 2020 #10
Ford_Prefect Oct 2020 #11
dhol82 Oct 2020 #13
DEbluedude Oct 2020 #14
Ford_Prefect Oct 2020 #15

Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:15 PM

1. 'Nuremberg' them!

I want a public trial with all the dirt.

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Response to pfitz59 (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:34 PM

8. Yup, two words: Independent Prosecutor. Nt

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:17 PM

2. We let Bush and Cheney slide. What did it get us but aggravation?

Criminal activities should be pursued to the full extent of the law.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:34 PM

9. It got us Twitler! nt

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 07:32 PM

12. Exactly!

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:21 PM

3. The main ones I'd like

to see in jail are Stephen Miller, DeJoy, Kushner, and Trump.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:49 PM

5. And Mitch,

Barr, Lindsey

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 11:18 PM

16. Yes to your list and C3PO

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:24 PM

4. We concede, even perhaps when we shouldn't.

tRump exacts vengeance. The rule that held for 220 years was trashed by tRump. I say use the legal system where there was illegality .

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:03 PM

6. How about

absolute shaming in jail

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Response to fantase56 (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:29 PM

7. Works for me!

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:42 PM

10. Stomp them into the ground!

This is not the first time the Repubs have pulled this shit. They got away with it last time and will do it again if it doesn’t cost them. We need to make sure it does. I’m fine with Biden playing Mr. Nice Guy as long as he lets Kamala and Pelosi burn them to the ground.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 07:06 PM

11. Orange is the new GOP color and it should be!

No mercy for those who stripped the land and allowed millions to get sick and hundreds of thousands to die.

None whatever.

My father's unit helped liberate one of the concentration camps in Germany and everyone I ever met at the reunions said the same thing: No Mercy for the murderers.

As Pelosi has said "You mistake them for someone who cares".

Mercy will not teach them to care. It didn't post-Shrub. IMO one of the major missteps of Obama's was not to drive the GOP appointed moles out of government and not to investigate the Neo-Cons and their no-bid contractor friends.

They expect us to play graciously and not to hold them up for judgement. They are playing us for fools as they do that.

I have no doubt that 5 minutes after Biden is declared winner they will be yapping and yowling for the defeat of his policies and the failure of the new Congress.

There are 2 ways to beat a bully: One is to publicly out him for his crimes and abuses. The other is to kick him until he stops getting back up. I have seen both methods used with equal effect. In the case of those who do not learn from the first you may be required to apply the second.

IMHO we do not have the time left to save our country, our culture, or our planet to spare for re-educating the Cultists.
In this situation I am reminded of a phrase from my youth: "America, Love it or Leave it." The irony is intended.

Those of you who can stomach it are welcome to try mercy. I am not by inclination nor action a vengeful person. However I have no mercy left to offer after the damage done to me and mine, to my little corners of the world, and to those I have worked so hard to help.

I have not lost so much as some, nor am I suffering as some are now and will continue to. On the other hand I and my family are trapped in near poverty by the assholes you would forgive. I have seen first hand their callous and vengeful judgement in action, their enormous greed and the real damage they have done to the earth.
I cannot offer them the chance to do it one more time nor will I ever forget. Not in my lifetime and Never Again.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 07:35 PM

13. Well said!

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:31 PM

14. No quarter.

They need to be tried, convicted and banished to the ash heap of history.

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Response to DEbluedude (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:43 PM

15. ...Or perhaps sent to a low island with a rising tide???

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