Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:22 PM
klook (9,997 posts)
We came much closer to an election catastrophe than many realize
(Opinion by Paul Waldman, Washington Post - Nov. 18, 2020)
As President Trump refuses to concede that he lost the election, and his dead-enders trot out increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories and legal tantrums, we are witnessing an attack on democracy that is at turns sickening and comical. But as it turns more the latter than the former, we should be aware of how close we came to catastrophe.
You may look at President-elect Joe Biden’s 306-to-232 lead in the electoral college, and his popular vote lead of 5.8 million votes and growing, and say that, thankfully, the results weren’t that close. As my colleague Greg Sargent wrote before the election, Trump’s legal strategy was predicated on getting within “cheating distance,” with the margins narrow enough that he could convince Republican judges to intercede on his behalf and hand him the election. It hasn’t happened. But it was closer than you think. And it raises the frightening possibility that if Trump’s team were not such a bunch of buffoons, and if Republican officials at the state level were just a little more corrupt than they already are, he might have been able to steal the election after all. That’s because the 2020 election was, in one critical way, even closer than 2016. Waldman goes on to point out that much has been made of the 77,000-vote margin in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that gave Trump the electoral votes needed to prevail in 2016. But in 2020, all would have needed would have been 45,000 votes in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia. Final tallies are being completed; Georgia is conducting a hand recount, and there could be a recount in Wisconsin if the Trump campaign decides to pay for one. But here are the margins by which Biden won three critical states, as of Wednesday morning:
Arizona: 10,457 Georgia: 14,028 Wisconsin: 20,565 Total: 45,050 If we’re thinking about whether Trump could make up any of those deficits in a recount, the answer is almost certainly no; recounts seldom find mistakes that move more than a few hundred votes in one direction or another, and could just as easily make Biden’s leads larger. But if Trump had managed to get those 45,000 votes, he would have won 37 more electoral votes, making the electoral college a 269-to-269 tie. Under the Constitution, the election would have then been decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting just one vote. Even though Democrats have a majority in the House, more state delegations have Republican majorities. Trump would have been reelected. That’s the bullet we just dodged, all because of 45,000 votes. Terrifying indeed. More at link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/18/how-2020-election-was-closer-than-2016/
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klook | Nov 2020 | OP |
empedocles | Nov 2020 | #1 | |
calguy | Nov 2020 | #4 | |
JI7 | Nov 2020 | #10 | |
angstlessk | Nov 2020 | #2 | |
calguy | Nov 2020 | #3 | |
lagomorph777 | Nov 2020 | #13 | |
calguy | Nov 2020 | #14 | |
Lysol2020 | Nov 2020 | #5 | |
klook | Nov 2020 | #6 | |
gopiscrap | Nov 2020 | #7 | |
Skittles | Nov 2020 | #8 | |
klook | Nov 2020 | #9 | |
JI7 | Nov 2020 | #11 | |
klook | Nov 2020 | #12 |
Response to klook (Original post)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:26 PM
empedocles (11,845 posts)
1. We also came much closer to a Presidential Nomination catastrophe than many
will admit.
Rough year. |
Response to empedocles (Reply #1)
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 04:14 AM
JI7 (83,268 posts)
10. Not sure about that
Response to klook (Original post)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:27 PM
angstlessk (11,852 posts)
2. And IF grasshoppers had six shooters, birds wouldn't mess with them.
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Response to klook (Original post)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:31 PM
calguy (3,103 posts)
3. This something the DNC has to work on the next two years
It's great we won the White House, and have a shot at the Senate. But neither party has a strong majority going going forward. If anything. the GOP was able to strengthen their hold on gerrymandering districts to their advantage.
While we celebrate our victory we can't afford to lose sight of the fact that we have much work to do these next 2 years if we want to gain a workable majority in government. |
Response to calguy (Reply #3)
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:57 AM
lagomorph777 (20,670 posts)
13. +1 We have to get serious about digital. Hack Falsebook and Twit the way Putin/Trump/Cambridge have
Reach the MAGATS and start deprogramming some of them. Obviously, most are pretty far down the rabbit hole, but keep in mind they are ALL incredibly gullible idiots.
EXPLOIT MAGAT GULLIBILITY. |
Response to klook (Original post)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:45 PM
Lysol2020 (16 posts)
5. This may be true but
We have to remember Biden had to catch Trump from 2016 in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona and then pass him. It was closer than comfort, but we did well this cycle.
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Response to Lysol2020 (Reply #5)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:51 PM
klook (9,997 posts)
6. I agree. I'm very happy with the election results.
Reversing the deficits in the midwestern states and overcoming all the Republican treachery, in the middle of a pandemic, took a herculean effort. And I don't think the author is saying the Dems did anything wrong. (I'm certainly not.)
It's just a reminder of how the Electoral College constitutes a hurdle that we have to overcome to win the White House, every single time. |
Response to Lysol2020 (Reply #5)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:18 PM
gopiscrap (21,524 posts)
7. welcome to DU
Response to klook (Original post)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:19 PM
Skittles (133,650 posts)
8. another reason to ditch the Electoral College
it makes it much easier for Russia or Repukes to manipulate the election
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Response to Skittles (Reply #8)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:21 PM
klook (9,997 posts)
9. No kidding.
Hope to see the Electoral College scuttled in my lifetime. Not holding my breath, though. I've only got 30 years left, tops.
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Response to klook (Original post)
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 04:15 AM
JI7 (83,268 posts)
11. Trump being an incumbent helped . Biden also didn't do a ground campaign
imagine if we had been doing regular campaigns and rallies.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 08:34 AM
klook (9,997 posts)
12. Yes. Jen O'Malley Dillon and crew did an amazing job
with many headwinds to overcome.
Trump was in part a formidable opponent, with fanatical devotion from his followers — and, as you say, the extensive benefits of the incumbency. Fortunately for us, his incompetence and the intense negative partisanship he inspires in Democrats, and in those who respond to our positions and candidates, helped Biden & Harris. Our candidates inspired strong confidence and hope, and this gave us what we needed to capitalize on Trump’s massive negatives. |