Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

sl8

(13,584 posts)
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 07:40 AM Nov 2020

This message was self-deleted by its author

This message was self-deleted by its author (sl8) on Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:21 PM. When the original post in a discussion thread is self-deleted, the entire discussion thread is automatically locked so new replies cannot be posted.

9 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) sl8 Nov 2020 OP
All the above is accurate and I'm speaking from experience. no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Nov 2020 #6
The only exception is the rare Perry Mason moment SCantiGOP Nov 2020 #7
"Trump isn't playing 3D chess. SomedayKindaLove Nov 2020 #2
Trump got the attorneys he deserved. Lesson learned: pay your bills NCjack Nov 2020 #3
Very true. chriscan64 Nov 2020 #5
The Trump Cult is filled with people who think that withholding evidence mn9driver Nov 2020 #4
Trump University School of Law dalton99a Nov 2020 #8
Rudy thinks he's fucking Perry Mason Zorro Nov 2020 #9

no_hypocrisy

(45,774 posts)
1. All the above is accurate and I'm speaking from experience.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 07:47 AM
Nov 2020

Show all your cards at trial or risk losing any chance of presenting evidence in the future.

You can hope that the Appellate Court will allow "new evidence," but it better be REALLY NEW, i.e., it didn't exist or it wasn't discovered at the time of trial.

I've tried for a Reconsideration (of evidence presented at trial) with a return to trial. That's even harder.

Once you're in Appellate Court, all you can essentially debate is the law and procedure. Facts are essentially recorded in stone.

There is the possibility that your case could have prevailed with the additional evidence at trial, but you failed to make it available for consideration. And you could be looking at a friendly new case of legal malpractice by your client.

Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #1)

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
7. The only exception is the rare Perry Mason moment
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 12:55 PM
Nov 2020

That is when a new witness or piece of evidence comes out after the first trial, but you have to show that you had no way to introduce that in the original trial. And then it just goes back to the original judge to see if they will declare a mistrial.

SomedayKindaLove

(524 posts)
2. "Trump isn't playing 3D chess.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:20 AM
Nov 2020

He’s eating the pieces.” —Joe Scarborough

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
3. Trump got the attorneys he deserved. Lesson learned: pay your bills
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:16 AM
Nov 2020

or suffer fools.

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
5. Very true.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:10 AM
Nov 2020

But also at play is the inevitable outcome due to no existing evidence to support the case. Just that weeds out most reputable attorneys. There may be a small handful of lawyers willing to play Don Quixote for a large fee, but like you say he doesn't even make good on payments so the field narrows to Rudy et al.

mn9driver

(4,412 posts)
4. The Trump Cult is filled with people who think that withholding evidence
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:30 AM
Nov 2020

so it can be revealed at just the right time, is an actual legal strategy. I’m not a lawyer, but even I know that isn’t a thing. These people live in a strange world that isn’t shared by the rest of us.

dalton99a

(81,073 posts)
8. Trump University School of Law
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 01:15 PM
Nov 2020

Keep your best evidence - and your best witnesses - for the Supreme Court


Zorro

(15,691 posts)
9. Rudy thinks he's fucking Perry Mason
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:43 PM
Nov 2020

Perry Moron is more like it.

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Editorials & Other Articles»This message was self-del...