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Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:39 AM

For some Christians, the Capitol riot doesn't change the prophecy: Trump will be president

Five years ago, a prophetess Dyrud follows said she’d gotten a message that Trump would be president and save Christian America. Trump would be “as fearless as a lion being robbed of its cubs” and cause the “tall and lofty mountains” of establishment types to fall, her prophecy went.

And Dyrud, a 73-year-old missionary, saw her words come true. So last week, he brought his “Appeal to Heaven” flag from Fargo, N.D., to Washington, and marched with thousands of other Christians: Christians who, like him, believe another dimension — high above the news frenzy — is in charge, a supernatural one where God reigns, and where Trump has very clearly been prophesied to serve a second term.

Images and references to being on the march for Jesus were common at the massive Jan. 6 rally — and later, riot — including among a segment of American Christianity that believes it has the power of prophecy. Some experts say charismatic, prophetic Christians who operate largely outside denominations make up U.S. religion’s fastest-growing subset. In recent decades, millions have been increasingly seeking out these prophets and apostles on YouTube channels, in books, group prayer calls, via regular group text chats and at conferences where breakout groups practice faith healing and raising people from the dead. And nothing has focused this disparate, independent group like Trump.

Many believers of what some experts call “neo-charismatic” Christianity are not heavily focused on politics and more on the miraculous. Instead of a faith life that revolves around sitting in a pew listening to a sermon, they embrace the idea that the Bible is happening right now; the world is a supernatural story and they are players in it. And that includes an aspect of the religion that traditional institutional Christianity has left to the earliest centuries of the church: the notion of prophets and apostles.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/01/14/prophets-apostles-christian-prophesy-trump-won-biden-capitol/



In-depth and good read. Gives one insights into cross-pollination/ origins of the likes of QAnon. Long-term, this article underscores the importance of public education and development of critical thinking. Short-term, we need to round-up the violent extremists/ terrorists and send 'em all to Gitmo.

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Reply For some Christians, the Capitol riot doesn't change the prophecy: Trump will be president (Original post)
BlueWavePsych Jan 2021 OP
marmar Jan 2021 #1
llashram Jan 2021 #2
Binkie The Clown Jan 2021 #3
yellowcanine Jan 2021 #4
badboy67 Jan 2021 #5
shrike3 Jan 2021 #7
shrike3 Jan 2021 #6
stopbush Jan 2021 #10
shrike3 Jan 2021 #18
d_r Jan 2021 #8
stopbush Jan 2021 #9
sfdennis1 Jan 2021 #11
RussBLib Jan 2021 #12
hatrack Jan 2021 #13
RussBLib Jan 2021 #16
machoneman Jan 2021 #14
BlueWavePsych Jan 2021 #15
dalton99a Jan 2021 #17
Skittles Jan 2021 #19
lees1975 Jan 2021 #20

Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:46 AM

1. People who believe a talking snake caused all the world's problems are out of touch with reality?


I can't believe it!

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:53 AM

2. In Satan's name

not the name of Jesus they pray.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:01 PM

3. Maybe his fellow inmates will elect him president of cell block 9. nt

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:02 PM

4. Jesus would not recognize these people.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:23 PM

5. There's a lot of untreated mental illness out there,

and religion is a cheap “medicine.”

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Response to badboy67 (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:30 PM

7. I was just discussing this the other day with a few people. A lot of this has to be mental illness.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:30 PM

6. Every day, in every way, they embarrass people like me.


Whenever I tell people I'm a practicing Christian, I have to add that my church supports BLM, has a soup kitchen every week, sponsors a food pantry. I need an asterisk.

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Response to shrike3 (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:55 PM

10. Supporting BLM and running a soup kitchen and food pantry are great humanitarian

things to do. Basic humanity. One need not be religious to do such things.

God help those who would not do such things save for their religious beliefs.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 02:37 PM

18. Of course not. One does not need to be religious to be good, absolutely.


For me, it's a matter of spirituality, connecting with something beyond myself. I imagine others are the same way. Those who aren't can be every bit as good, ethical and moral.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:07 PM

8. oh my goodness

this quote is amazing.
In December, Wallnau said on a prayer call that God would “overturn” the election because Trump’s “assignment” from God has not yet been completed. Later that month, in a video on his Facebook page, he said Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) congratulating Biden on his victory was just another example of the “deep state” that Trump was sent to fight.

Now, Wallnau said Monday, the prophetic word he’s hearing is “enlargement” — how God is just about to “enlarge his sphere on Earth.”

As far as the false predictions, he asked: “Why is it our people are so vulnerable to this stuff?”

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:51 PM

9. Make believe takes many forms. One is predisposed to fall prey to

treating political make believe as fact when the make believe of religious belief has been drummed into your head since childhood.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:14 PM

11. TAX the damn churches already!

It's a frickin' SIN how sooo many "chuches" have devolved into little more than untaxed political action organizations. Pulpits spewing uniformed edicts, commands, and threats, and basically forcing members to vote in a certain (republican) manner or face expulsion, shaming or eternal damnation. TAX these delusional charlatans already!

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:30 PM

12. Trump's world of lies does not hold a candle to...

...the massive galaxy of lies spun by religions on this planet. What a web they have woven.

Trump is the greatest con man we have seen yet.

And God didn't even have to lift a finger.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:54 PM

13. I have yet to find anything to George Carlin's exquisite summation of the topic . . .

&t=29s

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Response to hatrack (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:17 PM

16. thank goodness for video!!

Whatever awards were bestowed upon him during his lifetime were not enough.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 11:48 AM

14. Good news! If anything, Trumpy has undercut, a lot, the Christian right and those sad evangelicals.

Not only because he lost but took down the Senate as well. Now, their plans to use R-Scum legislators to push their phony sky-god inspired plans have taken a serious hit for the next 2 years and, with luck, the next 2-4 election cycles.

I do believe if we can forestall their desires for that many election cycles, a ton of older delusional folks will die off. Today's younger folk will not be nearly swayed into the weird beliefs (Trump sent by god) and desires (no abortion nor birth control) of these lunatics.

The die-off can't happen soon enough!

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Response to machoneman (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 12:20 PM

15. Yes! Die-off.

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 01:26 PM

17. Kick

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 04:49 PM

19. no true Christian could believe in Trump

they need to be called what they are - CULTISTS

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Response to BlueWavePsych (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 08:07 PM

20. Matthew 24:24

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. And the Apostle Paul writes, "For such boasters are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his ministers also disguise themselves as ministers of righteousness. Their end will match their deeds. emphasis mine.

Now I will acknowledge that this single sentence from Matthew is taken out of context a bit, since it is in a passage in Matthew known as the "Eschatalogical Discourse" of Jesus, addressed to his disciples referencing the time during and following his resurrection when the old covenant with Israel shifts to the new covenant with the Church. But most Christians today, or at least a good percentage of the more conservative, Evangelical branch of the church that is married to extremist right wing politics, believe that it is applicable to the "end times".

I've observed people who are convinced they've seen an "omen" or a "great sign" when they really haven't but they are prone to believe it. When I was a kid visiting family in West Virginia, my grandmother and great aunt use to take me to a little church where my great aunt "prophesied" and where people picked up copperhead snakes as a "sign" of being filled by the spirit--it's mentioned in the last chapter of Mark's gospel. I've seen both of them leave the church with bleeding marks on their hands and arms from snake bites, obviously in pain but refusing to acknowledge it. There were people who died from this, though over time, they build up immunity to the venom and learn to suppress the pain. They claimed that it was "God's time" when someone died, that they didn't have enough faith. The "prophets" and "prophetesses" can talk the people into doing just about anything by claiming to speak in unknown tongues. They are literally "out of their mind." That's the only thing that can explain the Evangelical support and absolute loyalty of the MAGA mob for Trump, whose built his fame with a lifestyle doing things that are defiantly opposite of everything the Christian gospel teaches. They excuse it with the hypocritical statement, "I'm not electing a pastor in chief, I'm electing a commander in chief."

How can you trust anything they preach?


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