Dystopian 'Digidog'- Robo-Dog Now Patrols New York City, The Last Thing We Need
A dystopian robo-dog now patrols NY City. That's the last thing we need.' Akin Olla, The Guardian, March 2, 2021. Drone warfare abroad is bad enough. Lets not apply the same kinds of technologies to domestic policing. - Ed.
The New York police department has acquired a robotic police dog, known as Digidog, and has deployed it on the streets of Brooklyn, Queens and, most recently, the Bronx. At a time that activists in New York, and beyond, are calling for the defunding of police departments for the sake of funding more vital services that address the root causes of crime and poverty the NYPDs decision to pour money into a robot dog seems tone-deaf if not an outright provocation.
As Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who represents parts of Queens and the Bronx, put it on Twitter: Shout out to everyone who fought against community advocates who demanded these resources go to investments like school counseling instead. Now robotic surveillance ground drones are being deployed for testing on low-income communities of color with underresourced schools. Law enforcement in the United States is already biased and grounded in a history of systemic racism. Many police departments in the US evolved from slave-catching units or union-busting militias, and their use today to disproportionately capture and imprison Black people drips of those origins.
And it isnt just the institutions themselves that perpetuate racism; individual police officers are also biased and more likely to view Black people as threats. Even Black police officers share these biases and often replicate the harm of their white counterparts.. Any new technological development will only give police departments new tools to further surveil, and potentially to arrest or kill, Black and Muslim people. While Boston Dynamics, the creators of the robot dog, have insisted that Digidog will never be used as a weapon, it is highly unlikely that that will remain true. MSCHF, a political art collective, has already shown how easy it is to weaponize the dog.
In February they mounted a paintball gun on its back and used it to fire upon a series of art pieces in a gallery. The future of weaponized robot policing has already been paved by the Dallas police department. In 2016, the DPD used a robot armed with a bomb to kill Micah Johnson, an army reservist who served in Afghanistan, after he killed five police officers in what he said was retaliation for the deaths of Black people at the hands of law enforcement...
More, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/02/nypd-police-robodog-patrols
https://news.yahoo.com/digidog-robotic-dog-used-police-153453166.html
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)"Farenheit 451".
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)Leonardo da Vinci's robot lion for the King of France, 1515.
chia
(2,244 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Aristus
(66,327 posts)"Black Mirror". And that's saying something.
I was unable to binge-watch "Black Mirror". After each soul-crushing episode, I needed a day or two to recover.
And 'Metalhead' just about put me off the series for good...
chia
(2,244 posts)I think it's the near future too, not the far future.
Anyway, I share your psychic discomfort. :/
movingviolation
(310 posts)How long before it has it's own "cops" like tv show?
multigraincracker
(32,674 posts)to the community? The better they SERVE the more money they earn. As complaints go up, funding should go down. This might encourage departments to hire more people from the community it SERVES and spend more on training.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)mezame
(295 posts)...we really should stop saying defund the police, but absolutely we should not be spending tax dollars funding yet another militarized option for police departments. Oh sure, it's only 'art', but you can be certain whomever designed the DigiDog has those contingencies already mapped out. It's only a matter of time before these abominations are at the sides of officers responding to protest demonstrations.
This 'profit sharing' idea, based on Merit and Service, could really have some traction. I'd rather incentivize good behavior instead of more toys for the police. Robots for life-critical situations (hostages, etc.) are one thing, and can be useful. But DigiDogs have no place policing streets. At that point, they do become ground drones, whether they're armed or not.
As I said in another related post, if I saw one of these things in my neighborhood, I'd take a sledgehammer to it consequences be damned. I'm white and could probably get away with it. But in non-white neighborhoods, police officers who are human beings demonstrate time and again their militarized 'training' with their over-abundant use of lethal force as a first response. I don't understand why a DigiDog (again, armed or not) would perform any better.
Now if they could make these dogs actually look like dogs (how 'bout a Border Collie model?), then they might have something.
mezame
(295 posts)put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)been hot for a while.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They've come a long way from this!
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Could actually be used like the cop cameras to verify which actions were legal and which were not.
AND IF they stick to PAINT BALL, could mark someone actually fleeing from a crime, which would prevent the nearest black person in the vicinity of a crime as being guilty. UNLESS the program is to FIND the nearest black person in the vicinity of a crime and splat them with paint.
SIGH.
Tech is only as good as the idiots driving it.
eShirl
(18,490 posts)NEOBuckeye
(2,781 posts)This is America. Its what we do.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)This is cool.
Woodwizard
(842 posts)It is as bad or good as the people operating it. Going into hazardous areas like burning buildings or chemical spills many scenarios that responders get injured or die from are jobs it will be suited for.
I worry much more about the existing armed to the teeth mentally damaged officers currently in operation.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....when I was between career jobs, I worked in the Data Center (now called IT) for a large bank on Wall Street. There was a suspicious package left in the lobby of the building next to where I worked. The police sent in a robot with a mechanical arm and camera to examine it, pick it up, and carry it to the bomb squad truck.
That was more than FORTY years ago, and the Financial District of Manhattan is FAR from a "low-income community of color".
This "robot dog" is just a higher tech version of what has been used by the NYPD for decades to protect lives - lives of ALL people.
Aren't there more important things for our legislators to worry about than creating undue controversy, hysteria, and might I say, exaggeration?
OldBaldy1701E
(5,126 posts)Did you guys send your robots down streets of neighborhoods that were not middle-class and/or predominately white all day and night? I think that is one of the main differences between your 70s robot and these somewhat autonomous, smaller ED209s prowling the streets. Yes, there are more important things to be concerned about, but isn't it also true that there are more important things for government to be doing that spending money on cute toys and releasing them into the specific parts of the city that have less than majority 'white' populations? I mean... maybe not...
George II
(67,782 posts)....being used to "patrol" and are not "prowling the streets" and they're not "released into specific parts of the city".
They've only been used in three isolated incidents to investigate dangerous situations instead of sending humans into the middle of those situations. Would you prefer a police officer be put in a dangerous situation instead?
This whole issue is a gross exaggeration.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,126 posts)a 'gross exaggeration' until it isn't. I also wonder just how many horrifying things started with the words 'only' and/or 'just'. (Am I being paranoid? Sure, but that mindset did not just randomly pop into my head one day out of the blue... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States - WARNING-not family friendly!).
As to your question, I would say that if we spent more money and time on education and cultural options other than 'play the greed game or die', those officers would not have anywhere near as many 'dangerous situations' to be in. But until I see some serious advancement in A.I., I am not keen on this.
chia
(2,244 posts)and can move much faster and more nimbly than a bomb disposal robot, and in these ways they have the capacity to inspire terror in humans who would feel like they were being hunted by animals. And because dogs have been used throughout history to hunt and attack humans, such terror is not misplaced. Some day, maybe not in our lifetimes, there will be warfare waged by robots, they're already well into development.
This isn't a false dilemma, having to choose "important things for our legislators" vs. no one can talk about the potential harm of robot dogs. Painting it as hysteria and exaggeration isn't necessary, this is simply being proactive about the potential for future harm and injustice.
George II
(67,782 posts)....will only be used in situations where sending a human would be dangerous.
hatrack
(59,584 posts)Then it will only be used in situations where sending in a human might cost more money.
George II
(67,782 posts)hatrack
(59,584 posts)30 years ago we flew combat missions in places like Iraq and Bosnia.
Now we have drones run by people in control rooms halfway around the world. That's also a safety thing, to say nothing of the cost savings.
I don't think it's going to take police too long to make the same move, once the technology is fully fledged.
George II
(67,782 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)we can either work to see it used safely, effectively and fairly.
or - idk. it's coming.
George II
(67,782 posts)...how many there are and how it's been used.
chia
(2,244 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)It does NOT "patrol NY City"
It is NOT intended to be used solely in "low-income communities of color"
It has NOTHING to do with "slave-catching or union-busting militias" (this is the most ridiculous claim)
It is NOT being used "to capture and imprison Black people"
It is NOT being used "to arrest or kill, Black and Muslim people"
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)Interesting! And thanks for posting, appalachiablue - I always appreciate your contributions to DU.
Lord Ludd
(585 posts)Start @1:20 (WARNING! GRAPHIC VIOLENCE)
LessAspin
(1,152 posts)White Fox
(69 posts)target