Joe Manchin learned all of the wrong lessons from the Capitol riot: "Jan. 6 changed me"

[marmar]

Joe Manchin learned all of the wrong lessons from the Capitol riot: "Jan. 6 changed me"
The West Virginia Democrat not only still supports the filibuster — now he wants to appease the insurrectionists

By HEATHER DIGBY PARTON
APRIL 9, 2021 1:36PM


(Salon) Those of us who've been watching politics for a while knew that the 50-50 Senate was going to be a challenge for the Biden administration. Yes, it's much, much better to have the majority and be able to set the agenda. But passing legislation with such a narrow margin is always very difficult. It's usually worse for Democrats because the small, conservative, rural state advantage in the US Senate makes it impossible to gain a majority without at least a few right-leaning showboaters who feel the need to demonstrate their "independence" from the libs who dominate the party.

Republicans have their "moderates" too, as we know, but generally, Democrats have a much more difficult task in these situations because they are actually trying to accomplish something rather than simply confirm judges, cut taxes and pretend to repeal popular legislation over and over again. Even when Democrats hold a large majority, the conservative senators in the caucus seem to always flex their muscles and make passing popular initiatives very difficult.

When Jimmy Carter was president and had a 57 vote majority in the Senate, his signature legislation was thwarted by Democrats who watered it down to almost nothing, stymying Carter's big initiative for the U.S. to attain energy independence. In 1993, when President Bill Clinton became the first Democratic president in 12 years, also with a 57 vote margin, the Democrats tried once again to raise taxes on the wealthy and pass a broad-based energy tax, this time in the name of "deficit reduction," and it was fought tooth and nail by different Democrats representing the same interests. Karen Tumulty writing for the LA Times back in 1993, wrote about the reaction of two Democratic senators, Oklahoma's David Boren and Louisiana's John Breaux, to Clinton's plan:

Sen. David L. Boren will happily admit to being the biggest thorn in President Clinton's right side. "Right now," he says, "I am perfectly at peace with my position." By virtue of his seat on the Senate Finance Committee, the Oklahoma Democrat holds the vote that could kill Clinton's economic program, and he believes he can use his extraordinary leverage to help redirect a presidency that has veered badly off course.

Also on the panel is Sen. John B. Breaux (D-La.), Clinton's longtime political ally and one of the earliest backers of his presidential campaign. He, too, has served notice that he will not support the plan unless it undergoes major revisions. Both senators insisted in interviews this week that their struggle goes far beyond their objections to an energy tax that could hurt industries in their states. They see it as nothing less than a war with the left for the soul of Bill Clinton's presidency.

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That brings us to Senator Joe Manchin, D-WV, the man of the hour.

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I think it's fair to say that Manchin has somehow absorbed the circular GOP's talking points justifying their flurry of legislation to restrict voting all over the country in order to "restore trust in the system" after Trump lied about the election being stolen from him. Can Manchin be so naive that he doesn't know that this was on the GOP agenda long before Trump came down that escalator? .............(more)

https://www.salon.com/2021/04/09/joe-manchin-learned-all-of-the-wrong-lessons-from-the-capitol-riot-jan-6-changed-me/

[True Blue American]

1. Joe is claiming

To want bi partisan ship. See if Joe says the same thing after they laugh in his face many times.

Yes, Joe learned the wrong message. You do not negotiate with terrorists.

[SoCalDavidS]

2. He's Already Said That NOTHING Will Change His Mind

So yeah, he WILL say the same thing after they laugh in his face many times.

I'm sure they already have been doing that for years, so it won't be a surprise to him.

[LizBeth]

5. Manchin didn't get his revelation while Republicans corruptly shoved three justices in though.

[bearsfootball516]

3. What a dumb thing for him to say.

That the insurrection means we have to be more bipartisan.

No, it means there's one half of the country that is hell bent on destroying it and ushering in a dictatorship, and the only way to prevent that is to pass strong, Democratic legislature.

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Fuck. That. Guy.

[Deacon Blue]

6. England and France Watch Hitler Invade Poland...

...and decide that unless they come to terms with him, World War II is likely. No, they’d spent 7 years trying to come to terms that Herr Hitler would honor before realizing that he would honor nothing but his lust for power. The war they sought to avoid was already well underway, and it was far too late to stop it.

Yep, getting shit on and screwed raw for 6 years by McTurtle, four years of the Idiot Emperor AND the Big Lie and the Insurrection, we’d better consider what these anti-democrats have to say or we’ll lose our democracy. Sure, Joe. Dreaming, gaslighting, both?

My thoughts exactly when I heard the interview: JM drew the perfect wrong conclusion...

What a dingleberry clinging to the Oranganus and his minions, what a dire threat he presents to true democracy by backing off at least a TALKING FILIBUSTER or a carve out for laws extinguishing a bedrock that protects all the others. MAYBE he should listen to the 2d amendment yahoos and consider protecting the right that protects all the others, now and into the future: the right to a meaningful vote by all eligible voters.

[dalton99a]

7. Kick

https://democraticunderground.com/100215318041