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Fri Jan 7, 2022, 09:44 PM Jan 2022

Donald Trump Can Never Lose - WSJ Editorial

Donald Trump did the country—and himself—a favor by canceling the press conference he had planned for Jan. 6. But the press statement he released instead on Thursday underscores that the former President will never admit that he lost the 2020 election, no matter the cost to the country or his supporters.

Mr. Trump’s statement throws out a farrago of “questions” about the election intended to imply massive fraud that he could never prove in court, in Congress or in subsequent state audits. He asks how Mr. Biden could lose “27 out of 27 ‘toss up’ House races, but somehow miraculously receive the most votes in American history with no coattails?”

That’s supposed to sound suspect, but all it proves is that election forecasters did a terrible job predicting which House races were “toss ups.” They predicted Democrats would enlarge their House majority by winning conservative House districts. The election was close, so traditionally conservative House districts went to the GOP. There’s no reason to expect that the party that failed (albeit narrowly) to win the House, as the GOP did, should win the Electoral College.

That’s the pattern of Mr. Trump’s changing election claims—superficially intriguing but readily explicable by the data, which we’ve reviewed in these pages many times. Yet the former President still accuses Democrats of perpetrating “the real insurrection, which took place on November 3rd.”

This rhetoric from Mr. Trump cost Republicans the Senate in Georgia and led many of Mr. Trump’s supporters to be prosecuted for breaching the Capitol on Jan. 6. Mr. Trump will not change, and Republicans who think a campaign to vindicate 2020 is the key to victory in 2022 will lose again.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-can-never-lose-2020-election-joe-biden-11641511214 (subscription)

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"... in 2022 will lose again." madaboutharry Jan 2022 #1
I still think turnout was outsized in 2020 bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #2
I 'kinda' like the way you think! MyOwnPeace Jan 2022 #3
This will be a thread to revisit in November! bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #4
Oh yeah!!!!! MyOwnPeace Jan 2022 #5
Other than just media comments based on past mid-term history lees1975 Jan 2022 #6

bucolic_frolic

(43,126 posts)
2. I still think turnout was outsized in 2020
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 09:52 PM
Jan 2022

Democrats against Trump, Independents against Trump, Republicans for and against Trump. And the latter category also cast their House votes for ... predictably, Republicans. Hence the close House results. Remove that last GOP 6% of usually reluctant voters, bring another 6% back to bipartisan reality, and see MAGA enthusiasm drop 3-4%, and you have a nicely competitive 2022.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
3. I 'kinda' like the way you think!
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 10:22 PM
Jan 2022

We 'do' tend to look at extremes on both sides and assume that those segments will determine what happens next. It's as if we're all picking our own 'silent majority' groups and figuring that they will make it all happen.
I feel for the pollsters: Who do you believe - the ones jumping on every question and issue, the ones against every question and issue, or, the 'silent' ones.

We have to have faith that we can find a 'majority' in all of those mixes - but we CANNOT take a single vote for granted. We must point out the lies, take the liars and cheats to court, and GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
5. Oh yeah!!!!!
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 10:42 PM
Jan 2022

And hopefully with very great results that show that the voters are not fooled by the "ORANGE FOOL" and his "Toadies" - but have accepted their responsibility and duty to be serious citizens that will help determine the future of what we want as the "United States of America."

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
6. Other than just media comments based on past mid-term history
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jan 2022

I'm not seeing anything that leads me to believe the Democrats will lose house or senate seats in 2022. "Oh but there's Virginia," yes, there was, but the statewide elections in Virginia aren't a predictor of the following mid-term, and that was a state election with a gubernatorial candidate who just didn't hit on all cylinders and excite voters, which will be a key in November. The "gerrymandering" of districts after the census looks like it will be a wash. The early polling data is about as favorable for Democrats as it was in 20I8. January 6th is going to get a lot of play for the next several months, and the country is 70-30 on that.

There are four Republicans in my workplace who were all Trump voters in 20I6. Two out of the four voted for him in 2020, one stayed home the other voted for a third-party. None support him now, and their conversation is that they wouldn't support a Republican candidate for Congress who was a committed Trumpie.

It might not be the blue wave of 20I8, but it will be a lot better than the media makes it sound.

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