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Fri May 27, 2022, 01:07 PM

Not knowing where the suspect was at, they could've been shot, they could've been killed,

Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Chris Olivarez defended the response in an interview Thursday with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, who asked the lieutenant to walk him through “what exactly law enforcement was doing for 60 minutes or so while the shooter remained in that classroom killing those kids and teachers?”

Olivarez said that, while the goal for law enforcement during active-shooter situations such as the one this week in Uvalde is to stop the killing and preserve life, officers did not initially know where Ramos was located when they were shot at.

“At that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where the suspect was at, they could’ve been shot, they could’ve been killed, and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school,” Olivarez said.

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FUCKING COWARDS !!!


[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-shooting-police-gunman-shot-olivarez/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F36f34e6%2F6290f93c956121755a941fb7%2F5fe8e448ade4e21670bc1e37%2F25%2F70%2F6290f93c956121755a941fb7|

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Reply Not knowing where the suspect was at, they could've been shot, they could've been killed, (Original post)
TeamProg May 2022 OP
Irish_Dem May 2022 #1
TeamProg May 2022 #2
Irish_Dem May 2022 #3
imavoter May 2022 #13
rsdsharp May 2022 #5
Irish_Dem May 2022 #6
rsdsharp May 2022 #7
Irish_Dem May 2022 #8
rsdsharp May 2022 #9
Irish_Dem May 2022 #10
njhoneybadger May 2022 #4
RevBrotherThomas May 2022 #11
asa4ever May 2022 #12
TeamProg May 2022 #14
asa4ever May 2022 #15
TeamProg May 2022 #18
asa4ever May 2022 #20
TeamProg May 2022 #22
asa4ever May 2022 #23
spike jones May 2022 #16
zanana1 May 2022 #17
LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2022 #19
Paladin May 2022 #21

Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:12 PM

1. I thought the police were trained to locate criminals.

And to locate shooters.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:16 PM

2. Not in TEXAS, apparently. Esp. when AR15s are involved. n/t

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #2)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:17 PM

3. Some of the parents were able to locate their children and evacuate them. Safely.

Texas cops need to lose those dumb ass hats and get some courage.

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #2)

Fri May 27, 2022, 06:03 PM

13. I'm all for gun regulation so don't jump me.

But an AR lomg gun with a clip
Is the same as a long gun rifle
that goes bang bang with a clip

One bullet per finger pull, semi autos.
The only thing different about them is the way they look

The AR styles are popular as some prefer the way they look

The cops likely have similar weapons in their trunk


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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:29 PM

5. Police are trained that the most important factor in any situation

is “officer safety.” Nothing is more important. Ever.

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Response to rsdsharp (Reply #5)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:31 PM

6. They need to find other lines of work.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #6)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:33 PM

7. The only other thing they are qualified for is flipping burgers.

And that doesn’t pay six figures to someone with a GED. Police “work” does.

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Response to rsdsharp (Reply #7)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:35 PM

8. Lots of overtime and fat pensions.

I have a bunch of cousin cops and you would not believe how much money they make. Large urban well known police force.

I know they have worked hard and are in danger, but so are a lot of other Americans who make squat for salary.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:53 PM

9. I'd believe how much they make. A sargeant in a large metro police department

can easily make between a quarter and a third of a million dollars a year. A patrol officer makes more than $100,000. As for the danger, it’s only the 22nd most dangerous occupation in the country. Garbage men are 2 1/2 times more likely than a police officer to die on the job. The number one cause of death for police officers is traffic accidents, in large part because they routinely speed, and don’t wear seatbelts.

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Response to rsdsharp (Reply #9)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:57 PM

10. Yes your numbers are correct.

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 01:23 PM

4. Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit

You know who else could have been shot? The school children!

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 03:05 PM

11. Hmmm

I guess "To Protect & Serve" means themselves, 1st and foremost.

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 04:37 PM

12. Cops are not paid to save you.

 

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Response to asa4ever (Reply #12)

Fri May 27, 2022, 06:17 PM

14. 'Protect & Serve', okay the word 'save' isn't in there.... n/t

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #14)

Fri May 27, 2022, 07:08 PM

15. The problem is the Supreme Court ruled that the police don't even have to try to save you.

 

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Response to asa4ever (Reply #15)

Sat May 28, 2022, 08:54 PM

18. Training manual: Officer's first priority is to 'confront attacker' Guidelines on handling active sh

Training manual: Officer's first priority is to 'confront attacker'
Guidelines on handling active shooter situations in the state's commission on law enforcement training manual that was obtained by CNN say an "officer's first priority is to move in and confront the attacker."
The 2020 manual says carrying out that first priority and confronting the shooter "may include bypassing the injured and not responding to cries for help from children."


"As first responders we must recognize that innocent life must be defended," it says. "A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field."
All law enforcement officers in Texas are trained on those guidelines.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/28/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-saturday/index.html

Please link your SCOTUS decision info.

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #18)

Sun May 29, 2022, 09:22 AM

20. Not good at linking, look up the following,

 

Supreme Court ruling, 1989, DeShaney v Winnebago County Department of Social Services.

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Response to asa4ever (Reply #20)

Sun May 29, 2022, 10:53 AM

22. Tip: see link button right there next to 'smiles ' button.

Just paste the link to whatever online doc you want to present.

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Response to TeamProg (Reply #22)

Sun May 29, 2022, 11:41 AM

23. Thank you

 

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 09:32 PM

16. "The cops don't need you and, man, they expect the same." n/t

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 08:50 AM

17. The same thing happened at Columbine.

While kids and teachers were being slaughtered, the police said it was a "hostage situation" and didn't go inside the school.

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 09:14 PM

19. Just follow the sound of gunfire and children screaming.

Or wait for the parents to get their guns (Texas is an "everybody carries" state, after all) and follow them into the school.

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Response to TeamProg (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2022, 09:57 AM

21. I have a real problem with my tax dollars paying the salaries of indecisive chickenshits. (nt)

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