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lees1975

(3,845 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 11:15 AM Sep 2022

White, Christian Nationalism is not Christian

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/09/a-recurring-theme-for-signal-press.html

There is an objective standard which defines Christian faith, and even the broader term "Christianity" in general. That seems to be something many people don't really grasp, especially those who don't hold specific religious beliefs. But it is important to understand the objective standard which identifies individual Christians and defines Christianity in order to call out aberrations, pseudo-Christian imposters and even anti-Christian infiltrators. Otherwise, a broad-brush indictment will do unnecessary damage and promote a measure of bigotry against people and groups that don't deserve it.

Being a Christian isn't just a matter of saying so and then using that to make it into whatever you please. It's a faith with a 2,000 year old historical context, multiple confessions of faith that are similar in content and in the beliefs that they express and a written record of revelation set in context by its founder. It's a systematic faith with a consistent theology. It has a clear set of objective principles and beliefs that are documented in writing with accurate transmission that is historically verified, vetted by those who held its beliefs. And when those works of antiquity are correctly interpreted, by early confessions of believers, there is no support for any sort of "Christian Nationalism," either what's been practiced in the past, such as the "divine right" of monarchs, nor of the current, American, "Anglo-Israelism" known as dominion theology.

If we're going to call this movement out, because it is a threat to democracy, and specifically, to this democracy and its constitution, then it must be called out and responded to in a way that demonstrates its inconsistency with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and how it is at odds with Biblical revelation. White, Christian Nationalism--and I will continue to use the adjective "white" to describe it because it is racist in exactly that way--has no basis for support from the correctly interpreted Biblical text. Jesus would have rejected it outright as the exact opposite of what he called and described as the Kingdom of God.
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White, Christian Nationalism is not Christian (Original Post) lees1975 Sep 2022 OP
I have seen the "movement" called Nationalist Christian and abbreviated Na - C. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #1
And there's about that much difference in the ideology... lees1975 Sep 2022 #2
You can try that approach however...... 303squadron Sep 2022 #3
That's really kind of the point here... lees1975 Sep 2022 #6
Little History Lesson Deep State Witch Sep 2022 #4
Actually, not really until about the third century after Jesus lees1975 Sep 2022 #5
Of course not. Only non-Christians could ever be so awful. Mariana Sep 2022 #7
Never said that. lees1975 Sep 2022 #8
The "No True Scotsman" assertion never dies. DavidDvorkin Sep 2022 #9

Ocelot II

(115,661 posts)
1. I have seen the "movement" called Nationalist Christian and abbreviated Na - C.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 11:20 AM
Sep 2022

Say the abbreviated version out loud and you've got it.

303squadron

(542 posts)
3. You can try that approach however......
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 11:44 AM
Sep 2022

Don't make the assumption that these folks have actually read the bible and understand it. Nazi troops went into battle with the words "God with us" stamped into their belt buckles. Do you think they understood Christianity?????

To paraphrase Barry Goldwater, these folks believe they are doing God's work and refuse to compromise which is a requirement of democracy.

Or...

"One of the most interesting and harmful delusions to which men and nations can be subjected is that of imagining themselves special instruments of the Divine Will."

Bertrand Russell

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
6. That's really kind of the point here...
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:14 PM
Sep 2022

Jesus never designated any specific ethnicity, racial group, culture or even individual as "special instruments of divine will." He emphasized humility and didn't discriminate in pointing out that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

I don't assume that these folks have read or understood the Bible, or that they will. But responding in this way puts them back on their heels and puts them on the defensive. It's a lot of fun on social media.

Deep State Witch

(10,422 posts)
4. Little History Lesson
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 11:55 AM
Sep 2022

Christians have wanted to dominate the world with their religion since pretty much after the death of Jesus. We had a time in Western history when religion was in charge of the government. It was called The Dark Ages.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
5. Actually, not really until about the third century after Jesus
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:06 PM
Sep 2022

when the institutional church was pulled into the Roman government to be used for that purpose. And all of that, including the Dark Ages, was a similar form of pseudo-Christianity married to the political state.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
7. Of course not. Only non-Christians could ever be so awful.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 05:25 PM
Sep 2022

Christians are better than non-Christians, right?

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
8. Never said that.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 11:25 PM
Sep 2022

I said the ideology is not Christian, but pseudo-Christian. I never said anything about those who follow and buy into the ideology.

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