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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 11:16 AM Jul 2012

if we worked the same shorter hours as Germany, we'd eliminate joblessness overnight

"The most important point to realize is that the problem facing wealthy countries at the moment is not that we are poor, as the stern proponents of austerity insist. The problem is that we are wealthy. We have tens of millions of people unemployed precisely because we can meet current demand without needing their labor."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/03/why-americans-should-work-less-way-germans-do

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if we worked the same shorter hours as Germany, we'd eliminate joblessness overnight (Original Post) PETRUS Jul 2012 OP
We'd have less stress, a better quality of life, as well. nt NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #1
Also the wealth corporations are banking SoutherDem Jul 2012 #2
And production would increase.......... Smilo Jul 2012 #3
Don't forget the flying pigs. Igel Jul 2012 #4
I think they mean that instead of working 60 - 80 hour weeks, if employees rhett o rick Jul 2012 #5
The flying pigs have been accounted for PETRUS Jul 2012 #6
k&r n/t RainDog Jul 2012 #7

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
3. And production would increase..........
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jul 2012

because people would be happier, healthier, less stressed and less tired.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
4. Don't forget the flying pigs.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jul 2012

People forget that there are opportunity costs and limited budgets.

I'd love to have 30 more people where I work. We'd be happier, less stress. Great!

But, uh, they cut positions last year and don't have an exta $1.65 million sitting around. To hire 30 people they'd need $1.65 million.

I guess they could get it by reducing wages. Or perhaps not doing any maintenance. Or buying supplies. We could work in the dark, without air conditioning or heat and using chamber pots because we had no water.

Sounds good, but that's the wonders of being an advocate. Being an advocate has no downside, because ultimately advocates bears no responsibility for the most absurd proposals even as they preen their moral virtues. If the advocated-for solution is implemented, the advocate claims all the moral virtue and lets somebody else bear the responsibility for working out all the details and being responsible for all the downsides. Those people would be the fiduciaries. The advocate expects fiduciaries to be perfect and infallible. It's far easier being an advocate than being a fiduciary.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
5. I think they mean that instead of working 60 - 80 hour weeks, if employees
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 04:33 PM
Jul 2012

worked 30 - 35 hour weeks, there would be more jobs to spread around. But people would have less total income and would have to do with less materialism.

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
6. The flying pigs have been accounted for
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 05:17 PM
Jul 2012

The author of this piece has, in fact, made specific proposals. There's a reason he uses Germany as a point of comparison. Germany makes use of one of the the policy solutions he has suggested - i.e., using money that would otherwise be paid out as unemployment benefits to subsidize a reduction in hours.

An essential and related story is that due to policy differences most other rich countries have distributed a larger share of their productivity gains broadly in the form of leisure time, whereas the US has distributed a larger share to the 1% in the form of (monetary) wealth.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
7. k&r n/t
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:33 PM
Jul 2012

we need to move beyond the "division of labor" view of work that had a man at work and a woman at home. that's not reality. our children need parents and parents need jobs - and time to spend with their families.

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